Corbyns Torque

John McDonnell talking the same old, same old on R4.
"Do you think they have not heard this before?"
"Yes"
The funniest one was the 'Do you agree with Trump' one
"Yes, but...."

I don't understand the speedy removal of Lord Mendelsohn. He's not accused of anything, other than attending a charity event where there are allegations of harassment.
Labour MPs can use drugs, pay for sex with rent boys, behave in dreadful ways towards women - they are put through a process which can take years.
Attend a charity event, where other people behave in dreadful ways towards women and you are immediately sacked.
Not sure what message - apart from support Corbyn and you'll get away with anything - this sends.

Simple whitewave - like draws like

Momentum on social media

Corbyns reforming agenda will make this country work for ordinary people, eradicate poverty, and bring an economy where people will have a stake in society, a decent future, decent pensions, decent public services.

Sounds a bit like the Scandinavian model to me.

Momentum on social media quoting from BBC QT

Wealthy elites should gladly pay their taxes to fund our public services and NHS. Not to withhold their money, and then dole it out at a whim, whilst reportedly abusing young women at the Presidents Club.

not Sure of that point annie

The Communist party support Corbyn and said so, no different to the KKK openly supporting Trump

He's not a self-confessed Marxist, although he has praised Marx as a great economist. His stance on Brexit is the Labour Party's stance. As leader of any democratic party you can't impose all your own beliefs on the rest of the party. Why does his 'talking to the enemy' policy make him a fence sitter? Why does it not make him a liaison, a go between and envoy like any other politician bringing two opposing groups together? What's wrong in saying that there is blame on both sides if that's the truth? And he's portrayed as a pacifist which is also not true because he has named conflicts like the Spanish Civil war as justified. As for Trump, you must be reading the news in strange places because Corbyn has severely criticised Trump far more often than May. He's not Prime Minister, so it is easier for him to speak out - and he does. Perhaps you should Google 'Corbyn and Trump'. I think it might be fairer if you judge him on his words and actions as Labour Party leader and not as the back bench MP he used to be.

"Why is it so hard to recognise Jeremy Corbyn as an honourable man doing the same?".

Wilma, I don't dislike Corbyn. I think he is very much the peace-loving sort of man I used to walk side by side with many years ago at rallies.

Unfortunately though, his 'talking to the enemy' policy makes him a bit of a fence sitter, a rather woolly, indecisive, well-intentioned, ineffectual politician who is hedging his bets. Whilst being a confessed Marxist. What IS his stance on Brexit? Who knows? Is he no longer the Eurosceptic he has been all his political career? I really wanted him to take a stand there. He is so vague.

He may well have a very important point to make about how we 'do' politics, but to be honest, I can see him urging world leaders to join him in a rousing chorus of "I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.." rather than condemning hateful and violent regimes. You have to have the courage to call out world leaders supporting violent ideologies (as May did with Trump.)

If he were a political commentator rather than the leader of the opposition I reckon he'd make lots of friends from all over the political spectrum.

PS It used to be the trade unions that controlled the Labour Party, now it's Momentum?

Nice try back at you Day6. The Labour Party leader has spent most of his political career fighting against fascism and its like. He's been condemned for bringing opposing groups together to try and build bridges. He's condemned because he won't condemn whole entities because of some of their actions. He's been condemned for condemning violence on both sides of disputes. He is a life long activist for social justice and non-violence.

I can recognise Theresa May as an honourable woman doing a difficult job. Why is it so hard to recognise Jeremy Corbyn as an honourable man doing the same?

As for Twitter, NOBODY is as bad as Trump. I'd even go as far as saying nobody in the UK parliament is as bad as Trump in any capacity.

BTW Corbyn sacked the Labour peer who attended the Presidents Gala. May disciplined the Tory minister (for Children and Families - you couldn't make it up!).

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Nice try GracesGranMK2 but the difference is that the leader of the Conservative Party has on many occasions spoken out to condemn fascism.

She has even turned on the President of the USA quite rfor his irresponsible Tweets. Mrs May condemned Britain First as a "hateful organisation" dedicated to spreading division and mistrust.

We are still waiting for Mr Corbyn to condemn the Communist leadership of Venezuela. That's the difference.

Theresa May - ‘I see no equivalence between those who propound fascist views and those who oppose them. I think it is important for all those in positions of responsibility to condemn far right views wherever we hear them.’

Mrs May added she ‘absolutely abhorred the racism, hatred and violence portrayed by these groups’ and the UK has taken action to ban them.

Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson said Mr Trump had ‘turned his face to the world to defend Nazis, fascists and racists. For shame.’

That's the standpoint of the Conservative Party.

The Anti Semitism claims STILL hang over the Labour Party. That and the non-condemnation by Corbyn and co of the appalling Communist regime in Venezuela makes one wonder just what left wing politicians condone.

we know Momentum youth drives the party, has now got control within the party and we know members of the Shadow Cabinet and the leader of the opposition are hard-left politicians.

You can't resist putting opinion as fact can you Day6. I thought you were a UKIP supporter. How are they doing?

Any communists supporting Corbyn or the Labour Party are doing so because it's probably the only way to get a left wing government. I don't mean far left, just left wing

I agree, Wilma, that was the reason behind Communist Party actions, to allow Corbyn in, Labour being a left wing party.

However, and sadly, we know Momentum youth drives the party, has now got control within the party and we know members of the Shadow Cabinet and the leader of the opposition are hard-left politicians.

I am not sure that is a happy situation, or a reassuring one for the electorate, whether the word 'Communism' comes into the equation or not.

It is a FACT that the Communist Party did not field a candidate in the last election.

That is a fact about the Communist Party. It really does not tell us anything about the LP. It's like saying there were no British Nazis standing so the Conservatives are becoming a party of Nazis. It's both illogical and untrue and fake news that you are trying to spread for your own, rather doubtful, reasons.

If it was up to me GG, I would have all Corbyns speeches on TV. I'd love it if he was on the news every night!

I certainly feel the NHS speech would be enjoyed and agreed with by many. I expect, as you're so keen Primrose, you managed to watch it live on line though.

It wasn't really just that speech I was commenting on but all the ones we only ever see clips from. I doubt that it matters as the internet seems to be taking over as a source where, if they choose they can watch all or any part of a speech without the time restrictions that the TV programmes apply.

You may find that very telling but you have no facts to say this will happen as you admit. Fake news, Day6. Fake news.

It is a FACT that the Communist Party did not field a candidate in the last election.

Fake news is something made up. The Communist Party left the field clear for Corbyn, by their own admittance.

It is a rather scarey fact.

that the only thing giving May her power is the extreme right of her party

And the electorate.
The Conservative party WON the last election.

Democracy gives her the power lead the country as PM. Until her party no longer want her to lead it, she will carry on.

There wasn't an alternative really. Can any of us imagine Corbyn being responsible for Brexit negotiations? He doesn't know where he stands, nor do any of the Labour Party it would seem. A Hokey-Cokey Brexit (in and out, in and out) in his hands would be disastrous.

This is the man who hasn't condemned the leadership of Communist Venezuela, remember.

Do you enjoy the smiley speeches or the ranty ones Primrose ?

If it was up to me GG, I would have all Corbyns speeches on TV. I'd love it if he was on the news every night!

Haha!

lemon, it's not ladylike to sniff, please use your sleeve ?

GracesGran exactly that is what I don't get. At the moment we have 232 Labour MPs, so the chances of communists taking over are slim to none. How many Conservative supporters agreed with buying the votes of the DUP?

On another forum I visit WMKF, the reds under the beds crowd (well all two of them) are over 80. I think this may have something to do with the time or culture you grew up in. I feel I was influenced by the generation who ended the war feeling there must be more equality, etc., just as those who fought in WW1 did.

Whoops - meant to say that the rally was probably what prompted the tweet whitewave.

I found it interesting that I could watch the whole of his speech at the Labour Party NHS Rally on line but I really doubt that such a speech - from any party - would be televised. It makes you realise why people are getting their news from anywhere other than the mainstream.