Corbyns Torque

Starmer is no doubt too savvy for Momentum.

Still, he had better not get on the wrong side of them!
Actually, I wish that he would, and a lot of other Labour MP’s would too.

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" There will be no de-selecting."

It has happened already in some Labour Councils .

The membership has a right to elect it's councillors and MP's in a democratic vote but the membership has become so obviously Momentum based that is where the problem ' for some' appears. Others who naturally are pro Corbyn and Momentum Members obviously hold a different opinion and find it no problem.

Momentum has brought its power, resources and ' persuasion ' to shape and mould the Labour Party in it's own image and that is 'Jeremy for Leader' .

Momentum was founded to back the man , Corbyn , not the Labour Party, hence many who turned their back on Labour at one time now boast of being committed Labour Members. His and only his view of how the Labour Party should be run is of interest to them. This point is proven time and again and an example would be the 'Loyalty to Corbyn' campaign for potential future Labour MP's.

Lord knows we have debated Momentum from it's inception on GN and whilst you declared having no knowledge of Momentum a while ago there are some posters who have said 'deselection' was the aim of Momentum from the start, others have said that was rubbish.

It is not the case right wingers, the right wing papers are making this up it comes from the horses mouth and Labour MP's and Councillors themselves. The problem is if they are on the wrong side of ' Corbyns List ' they are fair game for booting out and they know it .

It goes back to the Party within a Party line.

Andy Burnham was on QT the other night and I thought was very honest, sensible and quite impressive.
Now, I did have an issue with him years ago, but had the LP picked him instead of Corbyn I am sure they would have romped home in the last GE; so many are fed up with the Tories and would vote Labour but for their deep suspicions about the shenanigans and rather Machiavellian tendencies of Momentum et al.

Before Momentum took over the NEC it was decided MP's would not have to face RE selection , but in 2016 Momentum was already demanding all labour MP's face re selection .

Fact , several good labour MP's have an increase of the far left in their CLP's

All it takes is the NEC to bring in the rule - all MP's must face reselection, so no different to de selection

I am a member of the .labour party and will continue to be so unless left of centre MP's are forced out and some will be .

I have an issue with Andy Burnham and it relates back to the death of my mother and our experience of the NHS at that time. The Frances Report came out and there was no surprise in it's findings for us.

The Francis Report has been forgotten by many it would appear because Labour are hailed as the Saviours of the NHS and I never understand why or how it's failings can be so easily put aside by some.

I am certainly not defending the present government but I am acutely aware the Labour Government had it's fair share of problems with the NHS too and Burnham is to me as Hunt is to others.

Yes, that is my issue too POGS; having relatives (by marriage) in Stafford Hospital at that time does put a dark shadow over Andy Burnham's time in office and I agree that Labour's handling of the NHS was shameful in some areas. Coupled with the fact that PFIs proliferated under Gordon Brown's stewardship of the economy at that time made me hesitant to say that Andy Burnham would make a good leader.

However, I think he is someone who learns by his mistakes and uses that knowledge in future decision-making.

Keir Starmer was DPP when certain decisions were made that produce ramifications today. He is not someone who has the personality or, dare I say, the charisma, to make a leader.
Dare I say 'boring'?

Yvette Cooper also made decisions or carried out certain policies which made me very angry at the time, but even so, I think she would be better than the present leadership.

I cannot agree with any politician wholeheartedly or follow one without question, perhaps that is a fault or something which is normal to most people.

I have remained with the .Labour party but not agreed with every leader or cabinet ministers decisions. It was difficult when Harold Wilson did nothing for Aberfan, when the money was taken from the village towards the costs of removal of the two remaining tips. But I stayed with the party because I supported the party and it's values. I found canvassing for Michael Foot difficult,although a family friend , he was too involved with the militant group but again it was loyalty to the party and losing the 1983 election was expected , the party would continue . I marched against the Iraq War but still remaind with the party, Blair had done much good for this country and I still believed in labour values despite the mistakes made by some.

I am still loyal to the party and still hold labour values , I do not have any loyalty to Corbyn and Momentum they do not have labour values they have communist ideals .

There has never been a perfect leader but they have been labour untill now.

Hmmm. You might have a point about Keir Starmer Jalima.

I think will help to clear my thoughts on that one.

Perhaps a would make Keir Starmer seem less dour?
I thought Gordon Brown was dour, but he was like a flute of sparkling champagne in comparison.

Jalima - you said "so many are fed up with the Tories and would vote Labour but for their deep suspicions about the shenanigans and rather Machiavellian tendencies of Momentum et al."
I totally agree - the current government's performance is poor but I could never vote for the Corbyn/McDonnell/Momentum alliance.

KS was much better in real life. But people said that about GB too - I suspect neither can 'work the camera' in the way other politicians can.

Feature about deselections etc front page of the Sunday Times tomorrow. Momentum are saying they've just made it all up.

There are several Labour MPs who are potential future leaders of the Labour Party, just biding their time in other roles until we see what happens with Corbyn. Three have been named on here, Starmer, Burnham and Cooper. Personally I would choose Starmer, but I think it will be Burnham. It won't be Cooper. Angela Rayner could be a dark horse. Rebecca Long-Bailey is one to watch for the future. It will be someone who is a better orator than Corbyn, but supports his policies.

Personally I don't have any gut feeling how much longer Corbyn will remain leader. I'm not sure if he will try to win another election, but nothing indicates his position is in jeopardy. It has crossed my mind he will stay long enough to ensure the contents of the next manifesto, but not necessarily be the leader at election time. It's a weird situation.

Andy Burnham has stood twice, he won't again and is no longer an MP. Long Baily hasn't been a MP for two years yet, same for Angela Rayner and both are strong Corbynites so I couldn't trust them.

Corbyn has said he walks and cycles every day so is fit to remain as leader and PM , no matter he will be 78 at the end of his first term if things stay as they are . Cheery thought for the country

The Times is not making it up, Momentum is as usual lying, I know some MP's who are expecting it and are already under fire from Momentum plots

I know Burnham isn't an MP, but I believe he is biding his time. His mayoral time will stand him in good stead. I know I'll be in the minority here, but I like the fact that Rayner and Bailey Long are Corbynites. I think Corbyn is perfectly capable of continuing as an MP, but I do think he will step aside as leader if it meant Labour getting into power.

Do you think Sadiq Khan might be a future leader?

Surely the Labour Party will eventually move too far to the left if Momentum further increases its control and there will be a tipping point when it becomes unelectable. That's if it hasn't already done so.

the far left are in control of the party , Momentun now have control,of the NEC, Lansman has more power than Corbyn

Well Corbyn and his team certainly taught Theresa May and her team a lesson on how to announce a Cabinet Reshuffle - do it on a Friday when the journos have probably gone home.

I thought his 'reshuffle' last week was interesting . Whilst there was a little media coverage there was very little coverage on t.v political programmes so perhaps I am alone on that one.

As for the future Labour Leader I think Thornberry and Starmer would fancy their chances but the Labour Membership/Momentum would possibly go for John McDonnell, Rebecca Long - Bailey or Laura Pidcock looks like she is moving through the ranks 'pretty quickly!

McDonnell however may be Marmite and be the last to be chosen but of course we are talking of a sea change in the Labour Membership with the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum Party so who knows.

Lansman has more power than Corbyn
yes, ie he is Corbyn's Torque.

Reselection looms ever nearer, even though many on GN
Have always denied it would happen.

But they are denying de selection Lemon not re selection , which is the same really. If the Momentum run NEC decides all MP's will have to face reselection it will happen