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H and M and the small boy modelling.

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Rosina Thu 11-Jan-18 16:18:12

Over the past couple of days there has been quite a lot of media comment and photos showing a small black boy of about six modelling an H and M top with a slogan something like 'Smartest monkey in the jungle'. This seems to have caused uproar, and an apology from H and M. Interestingly the boy's mother has posted a comment to the effect that she is not in the least annoyed and people should 'Get over it'. My first thought on reading the initial article was - who is making a link between a black child and a monkey? Certainly not H and M, and this thought is seemingly only in the minds of those who are so 'outraged'. The mother seems to feel that this kind of fuss is not necessary, and how refreshing; the fight against real racism can be diluted by endless complaints that seem to spring from people looking for something to be offended by - do others think that this is the case here?

Baggs Thu 11-Jan-18 16:29:55

It would seem so, rosina. Besides, we are apes anyway.

I think there should be less apologising to the outrage mob.

MaizieD Thu 11-Jan-18 16:30:20

About 20 years ago were were keen supporters of the local ice hockey team. One of the teams they played against had a black Canadian professional playing for them. The barrage of monkey hoot type noises that greeted him from some of our supporters whenever he got the puck or scored a goal was horrific.

I don't know if attitudes among the ignorant have changed since then but remembering that, I would be very dubious about dressing a coloured child in a T shirt with that message on it. However innocently it was done.

MaizieD Thu 11-Jan-18 16:31:19

we were keen supporters...

NotTooOld Thu 11-Jan-18 16:31:47

Agreed, Maizie. It's a sad old world.

Baggs Thu 11-Jan-18 16:37:18

Bet the objectors wouldn't mind that hoody on a white child. Kids are often called little monkeys.

Baggs Thu 11-Jan-18 16:38:40

Maninly because they can be very like little monkeys indeed. Could it have anything to do with our primate similarities, I wonder?

Tegan2 Thu 11-Jan-18 17:05:07

I think these monkey chants still happen a lot at football matches....I'm thinking Spain here [just going to ask the S.O.]

Tegan2 Thu 11-Jan-18 17:08:03

...we are going back a couple of years but he says football grounds have been closed down because of these taunts when British black players are playing. Usually in Spain or Italy...

MaizieD Thu 11-Jan-18 17:15:14

So, it's fine if you put it on a white child.... hmm

Deedaa Thu 11-Jan-18 17:40:27

I always call my GS Monkey Boy but would I if he wasn't white ............? I think the situation in Italy is better than it was because most of the teams are relying very heavily on brilliant coloured players.

MissAdventure Thu 11-Jan-18 17:42:58

Its seems too coincidental that dove had the controversial advert recently. Nobody would do it accidentally, I'm sure. Its a marketing ploy.

Tegan2 Thu 11-Jan-18 17:44:26

The latest report I can see is 2016 [Neymar]. I think the situation in Europe is only improving because the football authorities have cracked down on it.

Fennel Thu 11-Jan-18 17:53:51

From the OP:
"Interestingly the boy's mother has posted a comment to the effect that she is not in the least annoyed and people should 'Get over it'."
Good for her !

gillybob Thu 11-Jan-18 18:37:20

It is the people with the nasty twisted minds that have caused the "uproar" . I often call my DGS "little monkey". can't see a problem with it myself and if the boys mother is saying "get over it" I think we should trust her judgement. Some people just want to find things to be "outraged" about.

MaizieD Thu 11-Jan-18 18:39:55

I'm not in the least bit outraged by it. I just think that some can be very cruel, ignorant and racist and it's best not to put a child in a position to become their target.

Tegan2 Thu 11-Jan-18 19:09:06

I think it's naïve to believe that, if a black child went to school wearing that top, nasty comments wouldn't be made. Just because something 'shouldn't' happen doesn't mean that it 'won't'. I'm thinking back to the time when someone I know lost his mother at the age of 12 and suffered years of verbal abuse from his peer group [also the fact that he had a slightly embarrassing surname]. Little girls can be cruel but little boys can be equally so. My first thought was that H&M did it for the publicity.

Ilovecheese Thu 11-Jan-18 20:15:54

I agree with MaisieD and Tegan He is just a little boy and should not have been put in this position. H & M must have known full well that it would cause controversy.
I suppose we must have child models but it is not something I would want for my grandchildren.

Eloethan Thu 11-Jan-18 22:32:30

It seems to me to be fairly naive of people to suggest that the decision to use a monkey analogy is completely without racial connotations. I'm sure many people will recall that black football players were regularly greeted by so-called football fans with monkey noises and were sometimes thrown bananas.

I accept that it is possible to quite innocently call a child "you little monkey", meaning cheeky, mischievous, etc. In fact, I think when my children were younger I used that term myself. However, given that such a description is used to demean black people, a company should really have had more sense and sensitivity.

mcem Thu 11-Jan-18 22:48:12

I believe that without the appalling racist football chants we probably would accept the 'cheeky wee monkey' type comments quite readily.
However we have to acknowledge the nastiness of those supporters and can't 'unhear' them unfortunately.

Baggs Fri 12-Jan-18 06:51:32

I had not heard about the football fan unpleasantness until yesterday.

I have always thought that what’s racist is to treat people differently because of their skin colour. That would make the football chants racist but it doesn’t make the hoody on a black boy racist.

NfkDumpling Fri 12-Jan-18 07:05:18

Part of me feels that its refreshing and a sign of progress that a little black boy can wear a monkey logo top and no one thinks anything of it or takes offence, it's how it should be. But part of me agrees that it may well be a callous advertising ploy which is really sad.

OldMeg Fri 12-Jan-18 08:01:10

Bloody stupid slogan anyway IMO.

busybee6969 Fri 12-Jan-18 09:57:18

my old boss had 3 little children i always struggled with there names .so at xmas always sent a few little presents on gift card i always put to the 3 little monkeys, because they were a bit of a handful it was a joke ,there parents quite often said what little monkeys they had been

Pamaga Fri 12-Jan-18 10:03:38

That Mum doesn't mind but other Mums of mixed-race children might be more sensitive about it. I think it was a tad ill-judged by H&M.