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Trump's UK visit

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mcem Fri 12-Jan-18 06:46:47

Just heard that he has cancelled.
It will be interesting to hear more as the story unravels.
All because he thinks Obama got it wrong when he sold the embassy building in Grosvenor Square and he doesn't like the new building.
As my grandad would have said "Aye, right!"

lemongrove Sat 13-Jan-18 09:50:02

From Grosvenor Square to Battersea, it does seem a strange
Change of address.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 09:53:03

"Construction of the distinctive 12-storey, cube-shaped building, located between Vauxhall and Battersea in south-west London, is estimated to have cost approximately one billion US dollars.

It was funded entirely from sale of US government property in London, the embassy said, and designed by American architects KieranTimberlake.

The crystalline structure, which won the 2013 New London Architecture Award, was designed to reflect the ideals of American democracy - transparency, openness and equality.

Panoramic views of the Thames can be enjoyed through gold-starred floor-to-ceiling windows, while a glimpse of Westminster provides a reassuring nod that the capital's political heart is just a stone's throw away.

Inside, gardens representing different American states wind around the stairs linking each floor, while a semi-circular pond, not dissimilar to a moat, fronts the building.

The embassy expects to welcome 1,000 visitors a day and will employ 800 staff at the building."

Designed by an American.
He might like it better when he goes inside and realises that the windows are gold-starred.

maryeliza54 Sat 13-Jan-18 09:53:08

Well ask Bush about it - it was nothing to do with Obama - just yet another of Trump’s lies

lemongrove Sat 13-Jan-18 09:55:33

Unfortunately many leaders of political parties and groups through the ages thought that God was on their side in their endeavors Luckygirl ( and still do.)

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 09:56:41

Maybe trump just can't live up to the ideals of the building, openness, transparency and democracy. He'd much rather have a colonial style building, where he can keep the races separate.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 13-Jan-18 10:03:51

Unfortunately many leaders of political parties and groups through the ages thought that God was on their side in their endeavors Luckygirl ( and still do.)

Rather like some Gnetters then Lemons.

lemongrove Sat 13-Jan-18 10:08:22

Why, GG do you think that God is on your side??

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Jan-18 10:12:25

From Grosvenor Square to Battersea, it does seem a strange Change of address.

I think the previous embassy was very difficult to police, not a great place to be situated for security reasons.
The new building apparently has a moat around it according to BBC News at Ten.
It looks as if it could become rather weather-worn and dirty very quickly.

Perhaps he doesn't realise that Battersea is very up and coming these days - doesn't Prince George go to school there?

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Jan-18 10:14:32

Panoramic views of the Thames can be enjoyed through gold-starred floor-to-ceiling windows
I hope I never get invited there, floor to ceiling windows on upper floors, stomach-churning.

annodomini Sat 13-Jan-18 10:22:37

maddy629, Trump owns two golf courses in Scotland - one of them, Turnberry, a championship venue; and the other a thorn in the flesh of the local people in Aberdeenshire. So it's a vain hope that he will never set foot on British soil. Presumably he will turn up in Scotland to play golf, once his presidency is over - sooner rather than later, one hopes.
(look on Youtube for 'You've been Trumped' for an account of his company's behaviour in Aberdeenshire)

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 10:25:27

Didn't Turnberry have the open taken away from it after trump bought it?

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 10:28:26

It's now called Trump Turnberry.
I think he might regret that.

Wally Sat 13-Jan-18 10:33:56

There are brilliant minds that want to leave the EU and there are brilliant minds that don't want to leave the EU it's a matter of personal choice. I very much want to leave the EU for many reasons but just one is I don't want a unelected commission making the laws that I live by. Just because someone disagrees with me doesn't make me think they're stupid it just means they have different views from me.

Wally Sat 13-Jan-18 10:43:47

Whatever you think of him President Trump is trying to do what he promised when campaigning for the election. He is being hindered by an unelected judiciary. Only time will tell if he's got it right but he's got a mass media against him not only with fake news but with downright lies. I think people have forgotten what the word illegal means. It's not a sick bird.

Elegran Sat 13-Jan-18 10:45:55

"The crystalline structure, which won the 2013 New London Architecture Award, was designed to reflect the ideals of American democracy - transparency, openness and equality." No wonder he finds it impossible to relate to!

I'd have thought he would like the "semi-circular pond, not dissimilar to a moat" that fronts the building and keeps out the foreign riffraff.

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Jan-18 10:46:36

His tweets aren't fake though, straight from the horse's mouth (or busy little fingers).

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Jan-18 10:47:10

I heard a rumour that there are crocodiles in that moat.

Elegran Sat 13-Jan-18 10:49:58

A judiciary should be independent of the political power of a current administration, and the elected head of state and those representing the citizens should be subject to the law, not above it.

grumppa Sat 13-Jan-18 10:50:57

To be fair (not easy) to the unelected commission, it doesn't actually make the laws we live by. It proposes them, and they go through extensive consultation, including scrutiny by the European Parliament, before being approved by the Council of Ministers. We may find the whole process an unwarrantable interference in our democratic processes, but elsewhere in Europe this is seen as a protection of democracy.

It depends where you're starting from.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 10:53:15

And at the moment the UK has as much a say in those laws as any other country, and if we don't like them we can opt out.
Brexit is the ultimate opt-out, but brexiteers don't want to opt out of everything, just those things they don't like.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 11:35:42

theconversation.com/trump-is-an-unfit-president-when-will-his-backers-run-out-of-uses-for-him-89675

Anniebach Sat 13-Jan-18 11:47:45

Shouldn't Trump be accepted here because - it's good to talk !

Oldwoman70 Sat 13-Jan-18 11:57:06

I am not well versed in American politics (although I do know that Trump scares me!). Speaking to an American friend, who has voted Democrat her entire adult life, she tells me that if the Democrats had put forward a different candidate they would have won the election. The problem is that many Americans do not trust Hillary Clinton. My friend cites her actions, before and after, the attack on the Benghazi embassy and her attempts to use her position to attack the women who accused Bill of assault. My friend thinks that the votes for Trump were more a protest against Clinton. My friend's hope is that Trump will be impeached or will certainly not get a second term by which time the Democrats will have found a candidate the American people can trust.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 12:10:49

He certainly shouldn't get a second term.
Well done African Nations for standing up to him.

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varian Sat 13-Jan-18 12:21:20

It's hardly surprising that very few Norwegians want to emigrate to the US. Why would you want to live somewhere where you are more likely to get shot, live in abject poverty, be denied health care, let alone a country lead by Donald Trump?

Norway's per capita gross domestic product is $70,911.8 now, according to World Bank data. (The U.S. figure is $57,638.20.) Norway has higher life expectancy at birth than the U.S., lower rates of infant mortality, low unemployment, and access to the E U’s labour market (though it’s not an EU member). Norway is the world’s happiest country (the U.S. ranks 14), the place with the most political freedom (the U.S. ranks 45), most press freedom (the U.S. ranks 43rd), and most prosperity (the U.S. ranks 18).