UKIP, EDL, BNP .... what will happen when Brexit falls apart?

Undoubtedly Farage is.

Good posts Day6
I wonder sometimes if people hope for some civil unrest if they can’t actually have Armageddon after we leave the EU.

suzied, agreed, total confusion. But I am pretty sure it is deliberate.

Our parliament will get used to the idea of making all our own laws again.

Parliament never stopped 'making all our own laws'.

It is so hard to take Leavers seriously when they go on cliche ridden rants, fail to respond to other people's posts and just repeat referendum campign mantras with no evidence that the mantras are 'true'

I think day6 has got political ideologies mixed up, fascism is narrow, totalitarian nationalistic and racist, tends to support capitalism, and whilst the current Labour Party has many failings, socialist principles tend to be opposing to the basic tenets of fascism. Whereas, some posters obviously see the Labour party as a totalitarian dictatorship, they certainly do not tick all the boxes that need to be ticked to be accurately fascist.

I do not think Brexit will fall apart. I think we will modify our relationship with Europe and move on. Our parliament will get used to the idea of making all our own laws again. And we will build close links and trade with the world including Europe.

How have we lost any cultural identity?
You made that up.

Like you Durham Jen, (and you are once again making disparaging personal remarks) I like to know what is going on in the world.

You'd like us to believe that the UK is a terrible racist nation, when it's not. If you haven't been reading about the rise of the far right across countries of Europe, in most of the member states, then I'd suggest you are in denial. The powerful EU is causing people all over Europe to address the problem of the loss of cultural identity. That is precious to most people.

As mentioned above, we have a violent, aggressive and pretty fascist far left group here in the UK, hiding under Labour's cloak. I suspect that sort of 'only our way is right' fascism doesn't concern you.

"A few twats from EDL and BF turn up for anything and they make for page 1"

Isn't that the point though they are a few Pardon the pun, but the far right here never gains momentum, It's only the new fascists "Momentum" that seem to be doing that, driven along by the deputy leader of the Labour party who encourages them by suggesting they might like to lynch a female Tory MP on the basis that they don't like her policies. When did advocating violence become acceptable from a mainstream political party

Says it all TerriBull.
We should be concerned about the people now driving the Labour Party.

You seem to know a lot about the alt-right, Day6.

there is a small faction of ult-right who may well turn unpleasant or worse if they do not get what they want

Scare-mongering Jura.

Guess what - should fascists become 'unpleasasnt' they will be identified and arrested. This is not the lawless wild west - but carry on hoping for the end of civilisation as we know it.

Or you could round up all these ill-educated people now, and demand to see their educational achievements and CVs and put them behind bars now for being 'thick'. That'll teach 'em to vote the wrong way!

most were fed up Labour and Conservative voters just ordinary hard working people who turned to Ukip because the mainstream parties failed to listen to their concerns about the EU.

Spot on ninny.

And it is pretty obvious that many posters here have no time for anyone who voted differently from them in the referendum. All of a sudden Leave voters are not ordinary, decent Conservative or Labour supporters any longer - they have been transformed by Remainers into a sub-species.

Many people felt they weren't being heard as those in their ivory towers refused to recognise their concerns. The opening post of this thread is typical of the way in which Leave voters have been portrayed. Our CVs weren't good enough and the liberal elite are outraged that we had a vote and democracy socked it to them. They are still whining, stoking up Project Fear and looking for the demise of the UK during Brexit negotiations because they have a great need to be proved right.

Their desperate need and longing for EU negotiations to fail is almost traitorous. They have been sussed.

Agreed, and this thread was not doing that - at all.

However, denying the fact that there is a small faction of ult-right who may well turn unpleasant or worse if they do not get what they want- it not helpful either.

My own feeling is that many people who voted to leave the EU had an anti-immigrant agenda, but certainly not all. My husband was a Brexiter and he is most definitely not racist.

Some people feel that the EU itself could be accused of a degree of racism in that it is, in the main, a rich European man's club which left other nations out in the cold and which didn't support its own members when they hit troubled times (eg Greece).

I did vote to remain because, on balance, I did not believe that, at least with the current government, it would be wise to cut ourselves adrift from Europe and possibly have to rely on countries like the US, Saudi, and China for trade. I was also very worried about the remarks being made about getting rid of "red tape" - which I believe can have some very dangerous consequences.

I think it is unhelpful when either "side" attempts to ridicule or demonise the other. We need to try to find some common ground and understand the other's point of view.

Petra: I did write 'if'. I'm trying to not get too depressed.

Ukip are not only having to keep Bolton unless they get a donor to cough up - or have a whip round.
He gets to keep his girlfriend.

www.theweek.co.uk/91066/ukip-leader-henry-bolton-denounces-coup-over-racism-claim

He told fibs when he said he'd given her up.

I did'nt 'lump them with' - I said there is a potential for some of them to go on to BNP or EDL, if they do not have a more 'mainstream' outlet - very different proposition.

The Labour and Tory Ukippers are the ones who've left now they've seen the light.
The ones left are the hardcore Ukippers, not that there are many of them, just like EDL and Britain First.

jura2
We have a dentist in our close who always flys the UKIP flag at election time.
I'm having a problem picturing him with bovver boots, shaved head and braces if/ when he joins the BNP.

I think you are wrong in lumping Ukip supporters with EDL and BNP, most were fed up Labour and Conservative voters just ordinary hard working people who turned to Ukip because the mainstream parties failed to listen to their concerns about the EU. David Cameron offered a referendum vote because he was frightened of Ukip and the rest is history.

which basically mean UKIP is finished.

Now I'd be ther first to celebrate their downfall.
But as said on the other thread- if it means that many will run to EDL or BNP - not necessarily a good thing.

"Henry Bolton could survive being ousted as Ukip leader because the party cannot afford to hold a contest to replace him.

HuffPost UK has learned Ukip’s finances are in such a state that it would struggle to stump up the cash for what would be its fourth leadership contest in 15 months.

A well-placed source said a fresh leadership election to replace the under-fire Bolton could cost between £30,000 and £60,000, and it might need to axe staff in order to finance the contest.

According to the Electoral Commission, Ukip received just £25,140 in cash donations in the final three months of 2017 and membership rates have falling for months. "

So those Ukip wallies are going to have to keep Bolton, unless they cough up a bit more to get rid of him.

Morgana
^ 'IF' it all goes badly^
Was that a Freudian slip on your part? Surely you meant to put when

I don't believe everything was hunky dory being in the EU, & I certainly don't believe everything will be ok out of the EU.
We were asked to vote at a time of rising concerns about immigration,with many people being carried along on a tide of lies, exaggeration & regurgitated patriotism , inflated by the self serving Mr Farrage.
The whole situation is disastrous . I think there should be/ have been a 2nd vote, once substantial facts & figures were available .As it is it's just like a game of ' pin the tail on the donkey'

Durham Jen: no reply yet to your question about post Brexit! As you know I am still waiting too. But then we have also had no reply to the question of who WILL be blamed IF it all goes badly.