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UKIP, EDL, BNP .... what will happen when Brexit falls apart?

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jura2 Mon 15-Jan-18 15:04:35

We can mock and laugh, and also feel sorry for some of the people whose comments in TV and newspaper interviews, and rants in streets or public transport- often showing very poor level of education and understanding - but they will be dangerous- and Farage is egging them on?!

MissAdventure Thu 18-Jan-18 22:59:36

Ah, it's clear now, but it wasn't before. It seemed as if anyone who voted for brexit was some kind of thug. I'm happy we're clear who exactly people are concerned about.

MaizieD Thu 18-Jan-18 22:55:21

They're in the Brexit bed, MissAdventure whether you like it or not. And they're the ones people are worried about.

Morgana Thu 18-Jan-18 22:49:25

Unbelievable that some posters refuse to see the danger of racist attacks escalating further. Wake up!

MissAdventure Thu 18-Jan-18 22:34:16

I think racists are in a bed all of their own.

MaizieD Thu 18-Jan-18 22:33:03

I think Leave voters are just a teeny bit sensitive to the fact that they are, so to speak, in bed with racists...

MissAdventure Thu 18-Jan-18 21:48:13

No, I'm not saying that, but it comes across as if you are tarring anyone who voted to leave with the same brush. Everyone would be absolutely outraged if we assumed every section of society could be judged on the actions of a few bad apples.

jura2 Thu 18-Jan-18 21:42:20

MissAdventure- are you really saying that the BNP and EDL would not be the prime candidates- having seen their antics so far.

lemongrove Thu 18-Jan-18 21:27:35

Exactly MissAdventure
I think this is really yet another tiresome old Brexit bashing thread, in the guise of ‘concern’ that mobs may roam the streets and anarchy prevail if we don’t leave the EU.We will shortly be leaving the EU, so why worry about it in the first place? The Government is firm in delivering it and actually so is Labour.

MissAdventure Thu 18-Jan-18 21:10:56

Its one thing to think about it, surely an entirely different matter to predict what kind of uneducated half wits might instigate it. Because that is very much how it comes across.

Morgana Thu 18-Jan-18 20:48:33

Why do some people refuse to think about the possibility of a racist backlash post Brexit? This is not accusing anyone who voted for it, we all know that there were many reasons for people's voting decisions. 'Fail to plan = planning to fail'. We need some plan to make sure that racist violence does not continue to increase.

jura2 Thu 18-Jan-18 20:33:26

The title of the thread made it perfectly clear who I was talking about.

durhamjen Thu 18-Jan-18 20:02:26

I am as worried as jura. I think I understand the British as much as you, petra.

jura2 Thu 18-Jan-18 19:34:48

Totally Petra- so my OP was not about the wroking folk who voted for Brexit- but about the EDL and the BNP, and other similar groups- who do ahve the potential for turning violent- and perhaps take a few more with them.

You choose to misread what I am saying.

petra Thu 18-Jan-18 19:31:36

Day6
Once again, brilliant posts.
jura2
I don't think you realise how much your distain and sneering towards the 'ordinary' working class of this country comes through in this thread.
Everyday working folk abhor EDL, BNP etc as much as you do. If you truly believe that your right you don't understand the British at all.

jura2 Thu 18-Jan-18 19:30:12

Like this one:

youtu.be/kjuNuqIev8M

and also about some of the pleasant enough ranters who said they wanted to vote Brexit to stop Muslims and Africans coming in- and so many more- showing they really did NOT understand the issues, and were mixing all types of immigration in the run up to the vote.

jura2 Thu 18-Jan-18 19:27:36

Yes, I was talking about those who are poorly educated and dangerous.

durhamjen Thu 18-Jan-18 19:26:04

Are you saying that Farage wasn't the leader of the Brexit campaign?

Day6 Thu 18-Jan-18 19:23:14

Jura, typical transference. Stop trying to wriggle out of it.

You wrote of people interviewed in the streets, speaking on TV and on public transport as being poorly educated and 'dangerous'. See your OP. These people you "mock" or "laugh at" or "feel sorry for" because they aren't educated enough.

varian Thu 18-Jan-18 19:09:11

Let's not forget that when Farage thought the Leavers were losing, he said "if it's 48:52 we won't accept that"

jura2 Thu 18-Jan-18 19:04:54

You are a very angry person, aren't you. Hope you feel better soon.And no, I wasn't talking about middle-aged ladies in headscarves- at all.

Day6 Thu 18-Jan-18 18:59:06

"people whose comments in TV and newspaper interviews, and rants in streets or public transport- often showing very poor level of education and understanding - but they will be dangerous."

Well, you'd better put them behind bars in a zoo and sedate or gag them. We can all gawp and snigger then, can't we? It wouldn't do to have such awful people on the streets. While we are at it -let's take away their voting rights too.

As for riots, TV presenters usually interview middle aged ladies in headscarves in a market, people on the pavement going about their business in their lunch hours.....and they speak from their hearts. Whether they are politically correct enough for you or educated enough for you or not is your problem.
Very few people who voted to leave hold extreme or racist views. How often do we see gatherings of nationalist parties in the UK? Hardly ever. They are minority groups. Nationalist groups are more common on the continent, ironically.

I cannot believe how the remainers/the left portray people they supposedly champion.

People with poor levels of education exist - and are usually the darlings of the left. The left, who bleat that they have a monopoly on compassion (they don't) will tell you they fight for them. Except they don't - when they don't vote in the same way as the liberal middle class elite in their leafy suburbs who want to remain in the EU. Then they become intolerable and to be feared. "Dangerous" even, like a sub-species.

Such despicable 'remain'/left wing hypocrisy here. This thread stinks.

jura2 Thu 18-Jan-18 18:42:50

Day6- there are ways and ways of protesting. 1000s of remainers have protested peacefully and got hardly any tv/press time.

People voted based on lies and more lies- and you know that as well as I do.

You also know full well my concern is not about Brexiters in general, but a small, angry and at times violent and racist mob- the EDL and BNP mainly- who are currently threatening riots and violence.

Day6 Thu 18-Jan-18 18:35:58

What a strange question DJ

Is Farage anyone's leader DJ? If YOU voted for him he is yours I suppose but you are nastily implying those who wanted to leave are UKIP supporters. A nasty left wing smear and SO obvious.

Many Labour voters wanted to leave too, there is a Labour Leave campaign and the sainted Jeremy Corbyn is a well known Eurosceptic. He has that in common with Farage.

durhamjen Thu 18-Jan-18 18:25:24

Farage has said there should be another referendum. You disagree with your leader, do you?

Day6 Thu 18-Jan-18 18:15:56

"I am concerned that people like Farage and others- are getting ready to stir trouble - by manipulating those who will be very angry if Brexit does not happen."

Get real. OF COURSE people, millions of them, will be extremely angry if Brexit doesn't happen.

What a strange OP. People all across the country protest for various reasons, about various things. We are allowed to protest, thankfully. What is your problem?

Just a reminder. We had a referendum a while ago you know, and the result was that we would leave the EU. All those eligible to vote could have a say - remain or leave. Those who wanted to leave won. Those who wanted to remain lost. Have you forgotten that?

Ever since the referendum most papers have speculated that there would be a massive demonstration of bad will if the Government did not deliver Brexit and welshed on the deal. That's not news. Heaven help us all if we cock up our exit from the EU.

You seem to think that just the knuckle-draggers of the left and right are the 'angry' types we should be afraid of.

It's patronising to assume as you say jura "We can mock and laugh, and also feel sorry for some of the people whose comments in TV and newspaper interviews, and rants in streets or public transport- often showing very poor level of education and understanding - but they will be dangerous." Once again you a re perpetuating the myth that only lame brains wanted to leave the EU. It's disgraceful.

Not everyone is politically active, not everyone voices their concerns, many Gransnetters do not like political threads, so do not overlook a huge swathe of good, sensible, decent people, many of whom ate highly educated who expect the Govenrment to deliver on Brexit.

If Corbyn had been PM he'd have had the SAME MANDATE.

This is a horrid post painting a picture of violence by Leave voters. (I fear the aggression and violence of the left much more!) I have never been violent towards others in my life, but yes, like the majority of people in the UK who voted to leave the EU, I expect the government to deliver. And it will.

Get used to the idea.