UKIP, EDL, BNP .... what will happen when Brexit falls apart?

None of us knows how the whole Brexit saga will play out. But I think the concern here is that any negative outcomes could be blamed on our inhabitants who originated elsewhere. Let's face it racist incidents have risen already, the rent a mob pro Brexit people will not take any blame themselves and our racist newspapers will blame 'immigrants'. 'Rivers of blood'? I hope not.

The number of angry brexiters who appear in the audience of QT and on phone-ins, shouting and thretening, is I think a factor in the timid behaviour of many Tory and Labour MPs.

They are frightened of the power of the right-wing tabloids with their headlines "enemies of the people" and "crush the sabotuers" and believe that they could incite civil unrest.

That is why so many have caved in and will not stand up for their true belief that remaining in the EU is in the best interests of our country. They are allowing ignorant bullying to prevail.

Last time I looked my head was screwed on right. Which is why I don’t engage with playground insults.

Rather rude Morgana
Why look for trouble in our country? How exactly will ‘not being complacent’ help?
Farage says a lot of things, just for effect mainly.

Heads in the sand ( or elsewhere!!!!) Jura

Thanks for your comment Morgana - I must say I am surprised not more here can see there could be a future problem. We all know that hate crime has risen massively in the last year.

Again, some here chose to distort what my thread was meant to say. I totally agree that the UK, so far, has proved to be hugely tolerant- and this one of the things I so loved about it.

The colonial past of the UK meant that immigration from Indian and the West Indies after WW2 was a 'natural progression' (remember, they were invited- as we needed them)- same in France- but not for the rest of Europe which did not have strong links to Colonies.

I sincerely hope my concerns shown here will not materialise- as the UK has been indeed, the most tolerant and open so far (much much more so than France- where 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation FRENCH kids of North African origin are still treated very poorly).

I will be joining the champagne drinkers on the great day - whether it's English or French fizz depends completely on the EU. If we walk away with no deal because of their blackmailing ways then it will be English, if they see sense it may be French ?

dj talking about cash, The fraudster is holding a conference and it did cross my mind where the money was coming from

I too am concerned that post Brexit, should the economy take a nose drive and jobs be lost etc etc, some people might be looking for scape goats. Who will they blame? Will this lead to people of colour/from other countries being blamed. I certainly hope not, but we should not be complacent.

Some UKIP members will fade away, the wallies- but the others may well be tempted by the EDL and the BNP and others- a lot more dangerous and extreme.

There might not be a UKIP soon. They have lost lots of members, and have no money in their coffers.
Farage cannot use his EU money to subsidise the party; he has had half of it taken away to repay the EU for misuse at the election.
They cannot find anyone who wants to lead them.
Hopefully in a year's time, Farage and UKIP will be nonentities, as well as wallies for what they espouse.

Even Wally has just said that right now on another thread.

I arrived in the UK in 1970- and never ever was scared of the National Front - and was always a massive admirer of the tolerance and diversity of the UK. That was put to the test when we moved to Leicester at the same time as the Ugandan Asians- but this settled down very quickly. I agree that so far, NF, BNP, EDL just seemed like isolated idiots.

I am surprised that I seem to be the only one concerned that, with the wrong people pushing the buttons- and Farage threatening 'war on our streets' - there is, sadly, potential for trouble if hard Brexit is not delivered. I hope not. Being concerned and saying there is potential for unpleasant trouble, does NOT mean I believe the UK is racist.

Looking at Eastern Europe, Austria, and indeed my own country, the German speaking part in particular - is very different. They have no history of colonisation - and therefore no history of immigration from afar.

France has many many parties of the left and the right and centre, and no First Past the Post system.

When I was married to my first husband who came to this country to study accountancy back in the late seventies. I remember having a dread of a scenario where the National Front, being the fascists of the day, would somehow seize power and deport all foreign nationals. It was of course a paranoia perculiar to me, possibly borne out of growing up being part foreign myself. The NF were never a force to be reckoned with in the UK, neither were the dribble of ineffectual fools that followed in their footsteps, they just don't cut it here, quite unlike their French counterparts Sure we have small pockets of racism, show me a country that hasn't, but we don't have the tidal wave of rising nationalism and racism that exists, ironically in some of the very racially undiverse countries of our EU counterparts. Parts of mainland Europe have always had a greater propensity to be swayed by both extremes of the political spectrum. When Hitler was gaining momentum back in the '30s showering his followers with spittle during his hate fuelled speeches, we had wannabe Nazis, the Black Shirts but they petered out, fascism might have lurked for a while in Britain but it never took hold the way it did in parts of Europe, not because we are superior more I suspect because the majority prefer a middle ground.

We all know stats can be manipulated- but anyone who does not accept that since Brexit racist attacks, be they verbal, physical, bullying or otherwise, have not risen significantly and now seem by many to be 'acceptable' - really have their head in the sand.

I sincerely hope that the UK will never fall into the trap other countries fell in with the rise of nationalism turning into racism and worse. I sincerely do - but there is perhaps something really, lets say, 'arrogant' in saying that the UK is so superior and far beyond any risk of such.

I'd say it can happen anywhere- with the right factors, and the right manipulators/leaders pushing the right buttons.

Everything crossed - but the rise of attacks, virulent and quite violent at times - is concerning. Should the economy dip and unemployment rise ...

What lemon said.

Exactly terriBull and Maggiemaybe....good posts.

I don’t believe jura that things are ‘a changing’ or that there are more than usual minorities who are likely to present a problem.
The only angry, bitter ( and let’s leave education out of it shall we) minority I see are Remoaners.
We are not ‘other countries’ and are the most tolerant nation in Europe.

Maggiemaybe: 'We are not a country of rabid racists,'

I totally agree. You'll find actually that most people from abroad who came to live in the UK, actually came because it is not. Me included. The open, tolerant attitude of the very diverse Brits is what I loved- and I know most of my foreign friends in the UK. And as things are a-changing- and the attitudes of a few seems to have been unleashed by Brexit- the reason why so many are leaving, and so few are applying to replace them.

Small, bitter, angry, uneducated minorities can turn very dangerous- especially if manipulated and pushed by a few clever but twisted 'leaders'. It has happened many a time before- should be not learn from the past- and from other countries at the present time?

We usually have English “Champagne” for dos like weddings.

The Camel Valley “Champagne” is delicious and highly recommended.

As an aside according to Prof. Whitman, I noticed that this utterly incompetent government fails to secure and preserve any geographical indicators in the CETA arrangement.

I wonder if the producers are aware?

I’m a remainer, but find the constant talking down of the country by some who shared my vote very tiresome. We are not a country of rabid racists, and it remains to be seen how our economy fares after Brexit. I’m apprehensive about many things, but we can only wait and see. One of the jolly old Guardian columnists (I’m a loyal reader, for my sins) recently wrote that we’d better get used to English sparkling wine, as we probably won’t be able to get champagne and prosecco after 2019, boo hoo. Really? And how are the French and Italian producers going to replace this huge export market, possibly their biggest? British sparkling wine is very good, though - I read recently that over 20% of fizz drunk at UK weddings is now produced here.

"A few twats from EDL and BF turn up for anything and they make for page 1" Isn't that the point though they are a few Pardon the pun, but the far right here never gains momentum, It's only the new fascists "Momentum" that seem to be doing that, driven along by the deputy leader of the Labour party who encourages them by suggesting they might like to lynch a female Tory MP on the basis that they don't like her policies. When did advocating violence become acceptable from a mainstream political party. The far right in the UK is a busted flush unlike those in parts of Eastern Europe who manage to flout quite openly EU directives on taking in their quota of refugees. on the basis they want to keep their countries white and Christian.

With so many predicting gloom and doom and with so many wishing nothing but failure for Brexit, not to mention those calling for a second referendum, to answer the question asked of lemongrove, I say it's going as well as can be expected.

Hopefully you'll have some champagne on ice jura, so when it's all done and dusted, the economy hasn't collapsed and we've still got our NHS, you can celebrate too.

we could always do both Petra and ninny
Cheers! ????

Lemon
I will be celebrating with English sparkling wine on the glorious day

Lemongrove make that British Sparkling Wine?cheers.
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