So - what is Farage up to now ?!?

Are there no depths the right wing on here will not sink to? Defending what a right wing poster posted and implying it must have been deserved when they never even read the posts.

newsthump.com/2018/02/07/cheddar-man-probably-uks-first-benefit-tourist-insists-nigel-farage/

Well the post that’s left tells the story anyway lemon. I look forward to your next defence of a post you never read.

paulbernal.wordpress.com/2018/02/06/free-speech-safe-spaces-and-hypocrisy/

An interesting blog about free speech.
Why was it that after Mogg's meeting at UWE May called for a new law to protect MPs, but not to protect the public being attacked by the MPs bodyguard?

The whole point about free speech is to protect the weak from the strong, not the other way round.

Poster from the US Holocaust Museum

MaryEliza I think the only posts on here that you ‘look forward to’ are those of your own.
For the record: I did not defend the content of any post ( as I had not read it) but commented that if posters put feisty comments about UKIP then they should expect feisty answers.
If more than feisty of course, then HQ will delete it, as your own comment was deleted.

mary chilling isn’t it?

There are a number of pointers on that list that certainly gives cause for alarm.

Yes, very chilling, but that was pre war Germany and not the UK in 2018, I don’t think that anyone need be worried about us going down that same route!

So glad we have an oracle on GN, where would we be without your lovely crystal ball lemon

well we certainly hope so - but in Germany it started in very much the same way- intimidation, shouting and insults in the streets and shops, 'minor' beating up and humilitation - in the early 30s and slowly but surely escalated ...my mother was studying in 32/33 in Munich, when Hitler rose to power, and witnessed the above, again and again- but the end of her stay, she left early as it was getting worse.

So yes, agreed- we are not there yet- but anyone who cannot see that intimidation and minor attacks have not been getting much worse recently, either lives in the boonies, or has their head firmly in that sand.

Lemongrove- you have not read the post- but I did tell you what was in it 'don't live in the UK - then none of your business' and 'go take a drink, etc, and shut up'. Clearly against forum rules and basic common decency.

It doesn’t require a crystall ball ww........ we have never had a fascist state here and strongly doubt we ever will.

If the economy, job losses, services, etc, did take a turn for the worse, in such a divided country as we have at the moment- so well illustrated here on GN- then things could escalate very quickly (as it did then) - sadly. It took many years in Germany to get to the stage we all know about now.

I was reading in the local paper about a man who was talking to a friend in a pub, in Russian.
He was followed outside and threatened with a beating up. He told the gang that he had important friends in our country and they would not like the consequences when his story got in the paper. They left him alone.

jura you seem determined to think that the UK could be like Germany, well, we are not!Never have been, either.
The situation then ( there) and here (now) is a million miles apart.
For those determined to think the absolute worst, go ahead and wallow in this silly stuff, but don’t expect everyone to join you down there.

There have always been incidents like that djen all the time!
Men threatening foreigners or anyone who is different, but now these incidents are being noticed or reported.

I see your posts are keeping up to their usual standard lemon

One thing we know for sure lemon is that your complacent attitude would never prevent an alarming lurch to the right.

Adonis writes

“I am preparing a speech on Rees Mogg and I am amazed at the crass, heartless and extreme things he has said on everything from gay-rights tobabortion. From the civil service, foreigners to Europe.
Rees Mogg is indistinguishable from Farage on most subjects but far more extreme on social issues”

rightsinfo.org/your-rights/

This is what the government has disdain for, and wants us out of.

The poster should also say that the right with an inclination to fascism (even when they can't recognise it) - become ever more dictatorial as they move towards fascism. I have always thought that the antagonism to what they call the 'nanny state' is because they think being the bossy 'nanny' to everyone else is their job.

Pro-EU campaign secures £400,000 from George Soros

I am really glad that someone is backing a Pro-EU campaign but I do hope they realise that publishing facts will have no effect on some as they are working on pure emotion. They will have, perhaps, to draw on these emotions to convince people the EU has looked after the worst hit areas of after Thatcher UK while our own governments have done little.

They will certainly have to waken up those who thought that everyone could see the advantages of Europe and put forward some ideas about how our government could ensure we feel as involve in the decision making as we actually have been.

JRM is an example of that GG - in his ideal world the state would prevent pregnant raped children from having an abortion

lemongrove- you couldn't be further than the truth. I certainly do not wish it- for sure. I certainly don't want my grandchildren to have to grow up through times like this, And of course I am fully aware the UK is not Germany, and never will be - really.

But look at the circumstances which led to the rise of fascism- and if things go belly up with Brexit and the EU, with a further drop in exchange rates, and if the USA economy and stock exchange tanks (and there are worrying signs it may do...) with more migrants arriving from desperate countries torn up by war and famine, and lack of water (the south of South Africa is day away from taps being turned off...) then I think conditions could become ripe again for real trouble.

Which is why many of us believe that, even if the EU is not perfect- we are better off standing together, working together - rather first partners, than vassals of China, USA and Saudi Arabia.

That's why so many on the right can see Rees-Mogg as PM, as long as he brings his nanny with him.

And he will also sell the NHS to the US, as he makes money out of that.

www.theweek.co.uk/91482/will-the-nhs-be-for-sale-after-brexit

"Was there ever a more exquisitely polite thug than Jacob Rees-Mogg?

On indefinite secondment from the mid-18th century, the Honourable Member for the East India Company has finally offered a flash of the real Moggy behind the mask. Hidden until now beneath the Savile Row three-piece and floridly courteous facade lies a deceitful bully with a taste for attacking those more honest than himself."

MSM says we can call him a thug.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/jacob-rees-mogg-lies-brexit-theresa-may-dream-team-boris-johnson-michael-gove-deceitful-bully-18th-a8194011.html

jura you seem determined to think that the UK could be like Germany, well, we are not!Never have been, either.

Considering that we were very closely allied to Germany for a century or so before WW1 & 2 and very much enjoyed their country, people and culture, that is a ridiculous statement. It's about time that people got over the 'evil hun' meme and realised that 'there, for but the grace of god, we could go'.

In fact, we have been there. Our Imperial history and the awful things we did to 'subject peoples' should have us being honest about our own humanity and capability to do dreadful things rather than crowing about our illusory superiority.

Also, human nature is pretty much the same whatever your nationality.