The President's Club Annual Gala - "Men Behaving Badly"

If there were 360 men at the dinner then is it likely they were all groping the waitresses - or could it be true that some of them saw nothing and were unaware of what went on until later, just perhaps heard some drunken racousness going on elsewhere in what must have been very large room?
So was it right to publish all their names?

Jalima said you don't scour the tabloids.
MissA and djen
Just to clarify, I said that perhaps MissA doesn't scour the tabloids.
That was me pondering, not a fact, as I don't know MissA personally and don't know her reading habits.

Jalima1108 why not publish the names? Should the guest list for such events be some sort of secret?

I am not saying that there wasn't flirting/ touching/ bum nipping or whatever trisher . I am saying that it may not have been as rife as some are saying it was. I am also saying that from what I have read some women did the event every year and enjoyed the attention and the handsome payments and tips. No-one was forcing anyone to do it. If they needed money there are always jobs in McDonalds, Burger King or the local chippy. Not glamorous, not well paid, no tips either, but they would not have been told to dress up in sexy clothes or sign a disclaimer either.

This is the 21st century, but some sections of society appear not to have moved on.

Oh gb give it up. It's the same old, same old that has been used for centuries. Sometimes translated as- "They knew what they were getting into" "They were asking for it" "They could have stopped/ left/screamed if they had wanted to". Some men behaved badly. Some men got caught. It happened. It isn't acceptable. It's just silly to keep on.

I can understand the men for not speaking out, with the hysteria of -"me too" where men are losing their jobs but not been charged, not been found guilty and some feminists like praying mantis waiting to devour their reputations

Just take a trip into most city centres on a given Saturday night and you will see all the groping, flirting, boobs and bums on full show but there will be no charity donations. Just men and women behaving badly.

I can't see why the whole thing had to be closed down because some horrible sleaze bags took it too far. Surely it should be them taken to task.

I will wait for proof not just one newspaper reporters story, a camera but didn't film any lewd behaviour, over 100 girls and not one asked one question.

How often do we read on this forum that newspaper reports cannot taken as proof or truth

So trisher why would they apply for a job where the dress code was sexy, short black dress, black underwear, high shoes (whatever) The payment was £150 for a few hours plus a taxi home. They were asked to sign a disclaimer. Lets not forget this event was nothing new it has been running for over 30 years and many of the women did it several years running. As i have said lots of times there are plenty other little temp jobs to get.

I am not making excuses for sleazebags who may have overstepped the mark, but it should be THEM that are taken to task. There shouldn't be a kangaroo court assuming all men there were sex pests.

Because they are young liberated women who have been taught (Thank goodness) that they have a right to dress as they like, look however they wish, do whatever they want and go wherever they wish and that no-one male or female has the right to touch, stroke, or do anything whatsoever without asking and being given permission to do so. And that attending a highly prestigious charity event in a well-known hotel is not an excuse for those principles to be abandoned. No one has had any sort of kangaroo court. Do you have any evidence of prosecutions? It has always been said SOME men. It's you who are trying to split hairs.

Ah so now we have it. Really what happens in city centres has nothing to do with this. If it's consensual that's just how it is. This wasn't. But it does display a certain prejudice towards young women.

Perhaps there will always be rich men who want to be surrounded by beautiful young women who will massage their egos (and sometimes more) for money. But for the beautiful young women who want to make a living that way, times are changing.

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"Young liberated women" ? Are you joking?

They are in my opinion a disgrace to most decent young liberated women. being paid handsomely for parading around in skimpy clothes for the delight of some sleazy men?

So girls lose their jobs, this caused by some feminists who no doubt had or have a job which pays well.

Trisher. It has not always been said SOME men.

On 25th January you said - " I don't think any young woman could have anticipated that the men attending would be so foul "

gillybob On Sunday you wrote: ".......Why should any woman make another one feel bad about what they choose to do to make money ? I can’t remember who said it but £150 ( plus huge tips apparently) for a few hours dressing up in a sexy outfit or 20 hours cleaning toilets? hmm"

Today you say:

"They are in my opinion a disgrace to most decent young liberated women. being paid handsomely for parading around in skimpy clothes for the delight of some sleazy men"

So that's what it comes down to - those men who felt entitled to demean these young women were not really in the wrong - it is the women, whose condition of employment was to dress in skimpy clothes for the sum of £150, who should be ashamed of their behaviour.

I'm shocked that any woman would describe the young women who worked at this event as a "disgrace to most decent liberated women" etc etc. That's the reality isn't it, once more putting responsibility on women for men's bad behaviour. Adam and Eve anyone?

Trisher - I totally agree with your earlier post, thanks.

So are we now saying that suffergettes fought & died for the rights of woman to still be seen as eye candy for men? Perhaps they should have had employed scantily dressed males as well ?Or perhaps it is time no one should be employed to be touched up by sad old munters!!!

Surely its a woman's right to earn money as eye candy, if she knows its more lucrative than cleaning or other jobs?
I don't think its for anyone to dictate how another should earn a living, as long as it hurts nobody. Whether this night did hurt anyone remains to be seen, I suppose. I find it quite foul, but really, that's neither here nor there.

Yes of course it is their right, I don’t blame them at all, I just think it’s a shame that this is still deemed an acceptable part of a charity fund raising event for Men Only & the worrying part is that the job came with a volume of paperwork ( disclaimer) that they had to sign without having time to read it.

Me too, bridgeit. There are so many sides to it all..

This volume of paperwork, was this said by the reporter only or from one of the girls ?

Yes I agree MissAdventure, sadly our right to do as we please, also leaves us vulnerable to abuse, wether that takes the form of exploitation or manipulation.

I don’t actually know Annibach,I’m just going by what I have read.