The President's Club Annual Gala - "Men Behaving Badly"

Good grief, scouring papers for the names and for photographs . No one who has questioned why there is no police investigation , no arrest for indecent exposure , no concern for the women who choose to be walk on girls for very good money and are now out of work.

Thanks Eloethan

Why would anyone question why there is no police investigation? How many women are groped or sexually harassed and make the decision to get on with life rather than put themselves in the firing line of the press? I've lost count of the number of women I have met who made exactly that decision.

Concern for the women involved has been expressed by posters who also express concern about the continued objectification of women.

I heard a different view point last night, not supporting women being groped but supporting women who choose to earn their money this way, seems this naive student argument is untrue, very attractive girls choose to be walk on girls, very good pay , the demand by feminists to stop this line of work affects the women not the men, no more appearances at darts matches, car exhibitions etc.

Suppose these girls should now look for work as cleaners , plenty of well educated feminists in good jobs need cleaners.

In an employment climate where many people - and particularly younger people - are struggling financially and have difficulty finding anything other than low paid jobs - any better paid jobs will be taken up.

I think in this day and age when there is growing concern about the objectification of women and increasing numbers of sexual crimes occurring within younger and younger age groups, it is unacceptable for women to be used, as Jess Phillips put it, as "bait" for men to attend functions and exhibitions, pay admittance to clubs, buy cars and boats, etc, etc.

Once upon a time, the same argument - freedom of choice, employment opportunities, etc. etc - was used to justify televising (and thus legitimising) the Miss World event. But, rather than complain that women's employment opportunities are being damaged, we should - I think - ensure that women have equal opportunities and pay in every area of employment, including business, politics and the professions - something which is definitely not happening at the moment.

Not all women reach the politics, business and the professions position. Still there is always McDonalds or cleaning or supermarket shelf filling .

Easy for Jess Phillips who studied at university to want to stop a woman's choice of work.

How easy to lecture from a great height to those who cannot reach the same height.

Oh how true Annie

Annie but supporting women who choose to earn their money this way
You seem to be confused about what the women's choices were. You have posted about how they shouldn't dress provocatively but having done so should then put up with the behaviour what ever it might be. No one who works as a hostess should expect to be groped or assaulted. In fact no-one should be groped or assaulted by anyone and this idea that in accepting a hostess role you must also accept any form of bad behaviour that goes with it is wrong on so many levels. Serving drinks and chatting does not mean you invite men to grope you. Many years ago factory workers were seen as being available if the bosses wanted, things have moved on. Having more money does not give a man any rights over a woman's body.

I am not confused as to what the women's choices were. They choose these jobs because they prefer them to jobs which pay far less. You forget some phoned into a London radio programme saying it was not as the reporter claimed .

I think everyone has the right to choose the work which suits them, if a politician , cleaner or walk on girl. Those girls were free to leave the hotel, they chose not to. It has been claimed here they were naive young students, I do not accept that.

You claim to know the ages of the men, I assume you looked up the list of guests as did dj then checked their ages.

I do not support women being groped , I accept there are women who don't mind if they earn more money that they would in a supermarket .

My opinion and I am free to express it.

If the job description had included the words "must be prepared to be groped and deal with men exposing themselves" how many of those women would have taken the job Annie? If the job description is accurate that's fine. It wasn't.
You seem to be the one with the age obsession I didn't mention it.
Some of them were hoping the event would give them the opportunity to network with rich men and further their careers. Some women were not groped that doesn't mean no one was.
But your opinion is confused Annie certainly women can accept jobs in any area, but why should a hostess be groped any more than a supermarket shelf stacker should? Because one encounters men with money and the other doesn't?

If I were bored (which I'm not) I would kill time by scouring the hundred or so charity shops around here looking for Gino books and David Walliams books just to be publicly disgusted and cause a scene.............

Oh wait a minute.... there's probably people doing that already.

Do we have proof that anyone "exposed themselves" (I don't mean titties either) .

I mean do we have a description? Could it be identified?

Whatever turns you on gb

So Trisher you know why the girls were there ? Can it not be they knew the men were wealthy and thought a wealthy man was just ehatvthry needed. Unlike you I do not see all men lecherous and and all women naive .

Could you post links to interviews with these girls please?

youtu.be/TODYX6fNRYk

Could you post links to a job description indicating that groping was an accepted part of the job Annie? of course you can't. I thought we agreed they were women, not girls.
I would appreciate it if you could stick to saying what you think and stop posting things I have never said, much as you may wish I had.

Thank you MisAdventure. Strange why, as the reporter had a camera she didn't film the groping or penis on the table, didn't have one girl to speak , it was just here word as it is just the word of David Walliums that he didn't see what she claims .

I can't post links of the job description Trisher but I have never claimed to know them,

I may have missed something but, I haven't seen anyone here suggesting that all men are lecherous and all women naive.

And surely the word of someone who said they didn't see something is as good as the word of someone who said they did.

It doesn't turn me on trisher .

I just thought it might be going to be a recognized sport soon. Finding things to be offended by.

We should be focusing on the behaviour of some of the men, unless these men had been told it was a brothel , where ladies of the night would be happy to entertain them, then they had no right to be touching any of the staff who working that night.

Bu gillybob just because I didn't see something doesn't mena it didn't happen. Just that I didn't see it. Which really isn't evidence of anything.

.....and what about claiming you saw something because your friend/colleague said she did. Or suddenly becoming highly offended by something that you previously shrugged off?

And ooh look there's a flying pig!- talk about clutching at straws.

Not sure where pigs (flying or otherwise) come into it trisher?

Let's put it like this, had the accusations been entirely false, had there been no groping, had the women been treated as respected and beautiful people, there only to make sure drinks were served and the food service was quick and efficient, the men present had, between them, quite enough money and power, to challenge such accusations. As it is they have chosen not to do so. The whole operation has been shut down. But some posters on here persist in making up sad and unlikely scenarios about what went on. Why bother to do so, when even the men have opted out of it? It is of course to do with the still persisting myth that if something happens it must be the woman's fault. Which some people just can't let go.