Are older people today out of touch politically with younger generations?

"Young people are furious they were sold down the river by too many older people."

How ridiculous. What a daft thing to write.
Remain propaganda. Project Fear assumptions.

Just HOW (with facts and not gloom-ridden predictions, given we haven't left the EU yet!) have they been 'sold down the river'? All the young people in the land?

Should we start building rafts for them now?

It is laughable. Their future is as bright as it has always been. Writing as a child of the 60s and 70s and wild cat strikes, closed crematoriums and cemeteries, power going off, rubbish on the streets, parents losing jobs, the three day week, factory closures, not being able to pay the rent, going hungry etc, the face of Britain changing with every passing decade - how DARE the young tell us we have ruined their future.

We survived tumultuous times and they will too, unless of course they are so fragile it will all be too much for them. Please, someone tell this generation of young people that humans have inbuilt survival mechanisms and we CAN do hardship and we can accept change.

Europe, post Brexit will still exist. The EU might not though. That is a likely possibility.

My advice would be to roll with the punches. No one will break. No one can predict what will happen in the next 24 hours so why some posters continue to second guess life outside the EU is beyond me. Big trading deal deal made with China today, btw. Good news, eh?

Did anyone see the research that showed that the 'youthquake ' of lots of energised young voters in the last election was an illusion? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42747342

Did all James' family vote in 2016 and 2017?

Good question

unless of course they are so fragile it will all be too much for them.
That is a possibility, of course, but no-one knows their inner strength unless it is tested.

Excellent post @ 18.44 Day6

Agree - Excellent post Day6.

It would be nice if the under 30's had a better knowledge of the formation and history and future aims of the EU from it's Common Market roots to the Federation it aims to become. I think a lot of people of all ages voted to remain through fear of change, simply to maintain the status quo which isn't going to happen.

Perhaps the young (who apparently think they are the only ones to vote remain) are right and it is time we gave our nationality as European. One of our DC thinks this way, and she's very RW. The other two voted Brexit and are LW!

it is their future an awful lot more than it is ours- for sure

Hang on - the future is mine too. I might be here for the next 30 or more years! Stop denying us our time.

We live in the world too and have to soak up what 'the future' brings with it.

Our forebears entered into war. They told our ancestors they were cowards if they didn't sign up to fight. many of us had families decimated by war. Many of us lived in bombed out towns and cities in our youth.

We carried on, struggled and survived - and prospered.

There have been many, many political policies introduced in years past that have affected our future. Many of us have been denied our state pension at 60 because of legislation.

It happens. We await our future and I think it is true that most of it look forward to it. The younger generation do not know what the future holds, nor do we, but to go through life thinking you are doomed seems such a waste of life. Remainers and Project Fear seem to be encouraging this attitude. Worse things have happened - and we are typing here because we have survived.

The biggest threats to our lives come from the nutters who have access to nuclear weapons.

A sense of proportion is needed maybe, which the young may lack if the OP is indicative of anything. Do not buy into the guilt trip.

'We survived tumultuous times and they will too, unless of course they are so fragile it will all be too much for them. Please, someone tell this generation of young people that humans have inbuilt survival mechanisms and we CAN do hardship and we can accept change.'

young people do want to have doors opened to the world- they don't want YOU to decide they have to remain in Little Britain. As for messing up their world- never mind Brexit- see what we have done to the environment. The world is crawling in plastics and - are our gtrandchildren supposed to just smile and 'adapt' to living in a messed up polluted workd, and eat more and more rubbish.

This thread has answered the question in the title.

Every generation is idealistic in its youth, thinks it will solve all the worlds problems etc etc. I and most of my contemporaries felt like that in the 1960s. Then reality set in and now we are the ones being attacked for being all the things we catsigated 50 years ago.

Thank you for all your comments, even to those who attacked me for the views younger people expressed. Many of the comments on Granset were understanding of the views other generations in my family circle expressed. Over the meal I actually found it very hard to hold my tongue. I did wonder how much the younger generation had been influenced by social meetings. What I did not do was adopt a rather pompous attitude or infer they were being patronising, I have since tried to analyse why there is such a huge gap developing in views across generations. I don’t believe we can ignore that growing divide. I gained the view that many younger people felt they should be seen but not heard, so they should accept the referendum and remain quiet.
I was also accused of being a Corbyn supporter, I don’t know if the person intended that remark to be offensive. However, for the record I am not nor have ever been a Corbyn man. More today a Blairite or Paddy Ashdown, my views are more akin to what Lord Adonis said in the Lords yesterday when he quoted what Lord Carrington said to the House 50years ago on Britain’s second application to join the European Union. Which was :
‘My Lords, we are part of Europe. Our civilisation, our heritage, our manners, are all European. The vision of a United Europe, of France, Italy, Germany and Britain united in common purpose and effort, must surely be something to stir the imagination of even the most phlegmatic and placid. What splendid possibilities for the future! What a lost opportunity for us and for Europe if we are deprived of the opportunity of making our contributions!’

Your usual battling self I see Day6. No we have the attack on the young. Very sad.

No Now

I didn't see Day6's post as being "battling"; I read it as rather well thought out and pragmatic post, the fair. We all, no matter whether we're in our 20s; 30s; 50s or 70s, have a future, and therefore all have a vested interest in how that future can be lived and enjoyed to the fullest. I haven't spoken to, nor have I seen any evidence anywhere on GN that alludes to any older person not caring about generations coming behind us. If anyone can point me to, or provide any evidence of, anyone having stated that they don't give a damn about the younger generation, I'd be interested to see it.

"to be", not the. Sorry typo.

I am early 50’s and think as your younger family think??? I don’t read any tabloids and derive my news from Guardian Or The Independent online. with some from independent bloggers and face book groups added in my mix.
I would say that the older generation is not really 50,but more probably 70 plus and even then not all older people can be pigeon holed either in the way the younger people may think!
I am a passionate remain voting Lefty/Green ?

You really can't put all over 50s in the same box. There is a world of difference between a 50 year old and a 95 year old.

Among my friends and family (mainly in their 60s) nearly all voted Remain and are passionate Labour voters. Many are Labour Party members and Corbyn supporters (including myself).

You can't generalise about the old. The vast majority of older people have children and grandchildren so we know all about the pressures on younger generations. Perhaps we had it easy in many ways. Many of us are lucky enough to be able to help our children and grandchildren a little - financially, or with childminding, or emotional support, gardening, decorating, or perhaps with accommodation.

I'm sure some over 50s have blinkered views, but many are open minded. Don't tar us all with the same brush.

From a young British woman:

The first domino has fallen. Today a Tory Minister broke rank and suggested we could cancel Brexit.

The problem is that Brexit is a semi-religious cult.

It’s based on a toxic, delusional mix of xenophobia and racism and a myth of English exceptionalism and superiority seen through a rose-coloured prism of heroic war and grandiose empire. Originated by a post-WW2 lost place in the world, fed by media hatred and fear, unchallenged by education and grounded by elitist politicians who served their pockets rather than their constituents, Brexit has become a self-defining value, not just a political rationale, for its hardcore supporters.

This is why when those who speaks reason, fact or evidence against their warped and wrong worldview are seen as ‘enemies’, ‘saboteurs’, ‘mutineers’, ‘traitors’ and ‘citizens of nowhere’.

Judges. Parliamentarians. Ministers. Civil servants. Scientists. Economists. Journalists. Lily Allen, Gary Lineker, David Attenborough, Brian Cox and other celebrities. Fellow citizens. The EU. And now, even their own Brexit Department and their Brexit PM.

Many of these are threatened with death and civil war is promised if anyone suggests their beloved Brexit is taken away from them.

This is not politics. This is religious fervour or madness akin to other political or religious extremism.

Why? Because their values are now defined by this struggle. A illusional return to a bygone past where their world was secure and not changed.

Where women were secondary. Where everyone spoke without an accent. Where all faces were white. Where gays were outlawed. Where transsexuals were an unknown word. Where jobs were local and done by hand, not global and via a technological device. Where Rule Britannia meant just that, rule.

This is why blue passports are so important to them. Not our economy. Not our parliamentary democracy. Not our reputation for tolerance, openness and welcome.

Only nostalgia. The memory of their lost and changed world.

This is why Brexit is the twisted dream of an older, ageing, dying generation. This is why our evidence, our facts and our rationale cannot penetrate an age-old dream given falsely to them of an England standing alone again, against its enemies, building its new empire 2.0 with blue passports waved to Johnny Foreigner as they strut around an inferior world abroad looking for a sign of Home, an English breakfast, a cup of tea or a sign that good, ole’ England’s empire once ruled.

These people are not only wrong. They are the past. Their time vanished long ago and Brexit is their death throes.

The world belongs to the young. They will inherit a place where mobility matters, where education and science drives creativity, where automation replaces the manual, where belonging is global and roots are secondary, where colour, creed and citizenship are irrelevant to your worth, where women stand side to side with men and your sexual preferences are not defining you.

The masters of the 19th and 20th century have reacted to this trajectory via Brexit and Trump as its form of capitalism has left its citizens behind, and they seek their belonging in the comfort of their bygone past memory.

There is not a way back to this place. That’s why Brexit is wrong. That’s why we must say No and Enough to the delusion that is looking to engulf our nation.

The Rule Britannia ship docked long ago.

Perfect analysis by Orjan Pettersen .
Thank you .

Wonderful and humorous address today in the Lords by one of the many exceptions, of oldies who understand about the realities of Brexit and the need to re-assess the situation.

www.facebook.com/OpenBritain/videos/1949502718423376/

I'm sure even the aunties would agree.

What a joy to hear another wonderful exception in the Lords today- Betty Boothroyd on top form:

Speaking during the debate, Lady Boothroyd said: "I do not recall a comparable crisis of such prolonged intensity and danger to the national interest and the country's future as a United Kingdom.

"Regardless of how we voted in the referendum or what we think of the government's squabbling factions now, I believe that the duty on your lordships' House is very clear.

"That duty is to assert our rights to scrutinise, to amend and if needs be to reject unacceptable parts of this Bill and to use the entire arsenal of our powers and prerogatives to limit the damage that threatens the sovereignty of Parliament and the national interest.

"Let's put party allegiance aside on this issue. Nothing less than the nation's future is now at stake."

She added: "To me that's surely more important than veiled threats to the leadership of a divided party and a possible change of government. This is no time for self-indulgence."

Lady Boothroyd also rejected accusations by "ill-informed pundits" that the House of Lords was irrelevant.

She said: "If Parliament does its job in making this Bill and the legislation that will follow in the coming months fit for purpose, I see no reason for a second referendum. But we must end the pretence that the referendum was the last word on Britain's future in Europe."

The peer added: "Unless this Bill is made fit for purpose, the Prime Minister's call for a frictionless access to the European market on which our economy depends and future generations seek to enjoy will remain a pipe dream and we, as parliamentarians, will have failed in our duty."

The world belongs to every single soul in it.

This is why Brexit is the twisted dream of an older, ageing, dying generation. This young woman needs to have a look at the chart attached. If she did, she'd see that 36% of the "older, ageing, dying generation" voted to remain. Whilst she's at it, perhaps she could have a quiet word with the 29% of 18 -24 year olds, and the 46% of 25 - 49 year olds ,who voted to leave.

Massive generalisations in the article you quotes jura. Doesn't do you justice.

Not quite such a massive generalisation as Brexit being 'the will of the people', Chewbacca.

I still have at the back of my mind the suspicion that we're being manipulated somewhere. There was no reason why Mr Cameron couldn't have taken the referendum as an indication of the country's feelings and used it as a lever to renegotiate our status within the EU. There's no reason why he couldn't have had a second referendum as the Irish did (well, didn't they have three before the population gave in and voted the 'right' way?). Why did they decide to go ahead with Brexit? Why is there really no opposition? Oh yes, there's a lot of shouting and posturing, but when it comes to the wire, it gets passed. If the Government - all sides - really wanted to stay in we would be. I think they know that in the long run we'll be better off out. Away from the chaotic organisation of that lumbering gravy train. Independent and free to trade where we want.

I shall now retire as I know I shall be shot down in flames.

Quite agree with you Maizie, but the "young British woman" made some huge and sweeping generalisations in her speech by laying the outcome of the referendum solely at the feet of the older, ageing, dying generation. Not once did she refer to the fact that a percentage of the younger generation also voted to leave. Nor did she refer to the fact that a percentage of the older generation voted to remain.

Exactly Chewbacca and who is Orjan Petterson anyway?
One article in a blog or paper means nothing, and it’s a rubbishy piece anyway.