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The Poverty of Brexit

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whitewave Fri 09-Feb-18 08:52:13

Poverty of ideas
Poverty of economy

It seems that NI is as useless said to stay in the Single Market according to EU draft.

Expect a major row from the headbangers and denial from Number 10

Round and around we go.

Tegan2 Thu 01-Mar-18 00:35:25

Nissan is to take legal action against the Vote Leave campaign after the Japanese carmaker’s logo was used on leaflets calling for voters to back Brexit in Thursday’s referendum.
On one flyer the Nissan logo appeared next to those of four other major companies, including Unilever and Vauxhall, with the message: “Major employers … have all said they’ll stay in the UK whatever the result of the referendum.”
Nissan, which wants Britain to remain in the EU, announced on Monday it was issuing legal proceedings to stop Vote Leave from using its name and logo and to “prevent them making any further false statements and misrepresentations concerning Nissan”.
In February, Carlos Ghosn, Nissan’s chairman and chief executive, said: “Our preference as a business is, of course, that the UK stays within Europe – it makes the most sense for jobs, trade and costs. For us, a position of stability is more positive than a collection of unknowns.
“However, this is ultimately a matter for the British people to decide. While we remain committed to our existing investment decisions, we will not speculate on the outcome nor what would happen in either scenario.”
...I'm still filled with rage at the lies in the leave leaflet and am dumbfounded that they were allowed to get away with it angry..

MaizieD Thu 01-Mar-18 09:41:26

Did anything come of the legal action, Tegan?

Tegan2 Thu 01-Mar-18 11:06:05

Not that I know of; maybe it was pointed out at the meeting Nissan had with the government after which they decided to stay on here hmm.

durhamjen Thu 01-Mar-18 22:21:06

theconversation.com/eu-brexit-withdrawal-proposal-a-lawyer-explains-the-detail-92620
This makes interesting reading. Worth reading before May tries to dismantle the agreement tomorrow.

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 07:50:39

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So May how do you plan to improve on the best deal in the world that we already have?

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 09:45:21

May can’t get to Newcastle because of the weather.

Wonder what it will be called? We’ve had the Lancaster speech. The Florence speech

How about

The very bad weather speech?

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 09:48:50

Opinion once again is that May will be talking to her party to try to get some sort of agreed unity ( not a snowballs chance in hell) and not really making any progress with Brexit.

Any progress would be welcome I suppose.

I think that the plan is a cliff edge, pretending that it isn’t.

I should start stock piling soon and plan for the chaos to come

durhamjen Fri 02-Mar-18 09:53:12

The Westminster speech?

I was just reading that she is still changing it after being holed up with her cabinet for two hours yesterday.
Do you remember the big away day they had last week? They only discussed Brexit for three hours then, despite all the build-up.

durhamjen Fri 02-Mar-18 09:55:45

Can't stockpile. Can't get out of the house. Thinking about it, I haven't seen a delivery van since Tuesday and they are usually going round this estate all the time.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 02-Mar-18 10:17:32

No.10 hinted to us yesterday that during the two hour Cabinet meeting to sign off the speech, some amendments were made. Later, the Speccie’s James Forsyth (and today the Times’ Francis Elliott and FT’s George Parker) revealed that David Davis and Boris Johnson stepped in to block a proposal to make “binding commitments” to mirror EU rules in some areas. Business Secretary Greg Clark and Chancellor Philip Hammond had raised the idea, only to be opposed by the Brexiteers. There was no 'showdown', one source tells me, but rather an agreement to park the issue until later. Which is really what this speech may do too.

Waugh Zone - Huffpost

durhamjen Fri 02-Mar-18 10:19:58

How useless. That's not what we want now. We want real commitment to something, otherwise whatever happens will all come from the EU.
Maybe that's what the Brexit cabinet wants.

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 10:23:45

There has been a strong reaction by the EU to Trumps latest nonsense over steel and huge tariffs.

The EU is a massive economic block with enormous clout which will have to be taken notice of in the USA - we are willing to give this up???shock

Do not be fooled that we will have the same influence, we won’t.

durhamjen Fri 02-Mar-18 10:35:46

That's what I thought, whitewave.
The assumption was that it was anti-Chinese steel, but the US only imports 2% of Chinese steel, so China is wondering what all the fuss is about.

Do we really want to give up our good trade with the EU and trade more with a country where the president can decide on a whim to raise tariffs like that?
Whe he was voted in as president it was because he said he would put America first. Why would we want to be way down the list?

durhamjen Fri 02-Mar-18 11:38:37

May's five tests. The woman really is daft.
She recognises things but does not put them into law.
I also do not see how on earth she can strengthen the union of nations by leaving the union of nations.
Cloud cuckoo land.

" Regain control of laws, borders and money, while recognizing the referendum "was not a vote for a distant relationship with our neighbors"
The agreement must be enduring and not lead to endless future negotiations
It must protect people's jobs and security
It must be consistent with Britain remaining a "modern, open, outward-looking, tolerant" nation that stands up for its values while meeting international obligations
The deal "must strengthen our union of nations and our union of people." "

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 12:37:12

I think that they are going to be disappointed, but not in the least surprised. Why should May change a habit of her lifetime and come clean?
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durhamjen Fri 02-Mar-18 13:00:15

It's going to be the Mansion House speech.

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 13:34:54

Eu and the baskets. No surprises there

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whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 13:47:37

May started off by reading the speech she made outside no 10 confused we all know how much we can rely on that

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 13:54:11

May is actually looking at reality at long last!!

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 13:55:24

This speech is directed to her remain MPs

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 13:58:38

Not clear that she can tie future governments hands though as she seemed to suggest?

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 14:00:15

Getting a bit obvious now

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 14:02:40

So far she’s hardly mentioned the most intractable of problems which is NI border

durhamjen Fri 02-Mar-18 14:02:42

Quite a few lies already; putting the UK and EU citizens at the heart of negotiations?
The 3 million don't think so.

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 14:10:56

CU partnership- what rubbish is this!!

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