The Poverty of Brexit

Question Time yesterday.

That's when I thought she was going to walk out.

I think some of you will enjoy this

(I think everyone should watch it but I don't think we'd get Leavers anywhere near it)

Prof. Michael Dougan speaking to a Stratford4Europe group.

Much less restrained than in his polite Liverpool Uni videos, but the reason the link to it was posted on twitter was to support a claim that UKIP had prevented Michael appearing on the BBC in the run up to the Referendum by telling the BBC that he was 'paid by the EU' and would thus be biased in its favour. The mention of it is about 55mins into the video (but the whole thing is worth watching if you have time). In this video he doesn't specify it was the BBC but he did apparently name it in talks to other groups.

(I seem to remember Leavers trotting out a 'Dougan is paid by the EU' myth on Gnet quite some time ago. Just in case anyone wants to trot it out again: Prof Dougan is the Jean Monnet Chair. This is an academic accolade only. The Jean Monnet award funded international conference 10 years ago. (2006) Most of the endowment went on that and the small residue was soon used in related teaching costs. There is no EU money involved at all now.)

www.facebook.com/stratford4europe/videos/423195178128699/

A shame none of our Brexiteers has deigned to comment on Grayling's statement. How can we regain control and stop all checks for people, beasts, illegal pets, drugs, substances... ???
It does not make ANY sense at all.

It was said somewhere recently that Brexit wasn't actually about taking control of our borders; it was about taking control of immigration (even if it was presented as controlling our borders)

Apart from an occasional foray to tell us to stop moaning I don't think that Gnet Leavers bother with the Brexit threads at all, jura.

There is no reasonable justification for brexit. It should be stopped. To see our country sleepwalking into walking over the cliff is utterly tragic.

Half the country sleepwalking, varian!

Half of us can see it coming and are rather terrified apprehensive. I imagine this is what it must be like being on a plane that you know is going to crash and there's nothing you can do about it.

Additionally, our Parliamentary democracy and 'unwritten constitution' are proving to be no defence at all against the horror. tories are just tearing great holes in it with no comeback at all...

Do watch the video. Dougan sets it all out so eloquently. And, being Northern Irish himself he can see just what the implications about the border are; it isn't pretty.

Tragically, I know Brexiteers who would rather scupper the country than admit they were wrong or misguided.

jura2
I'll comment on Graylings statement.
I think it will work just fine. Nothing to worry about.

Tomorrow is going to be a lot more interesting than Grayling saying that we will not have any barriers despite wanting to control them.

www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-faceook-nix-bannon-trump

I sincerely hope that you are joking, petra

Petra has no idea. She just enjoys winding people up, a bit like Boris.
I wonder if they are related?

I've just been told on facebook that I need not worry about getting fresh produce from the EU because we will soon be able to get stuff from Australia in less than 6 hours. Well, there was me getting worried. #probablydeliveredbyunicorn....

That means by plane. I think it might cost a bit more.

Tegan2: was that JRMogg who said that? He hasn't realised we don't have an empire any more, and Australia has very good trade with China and the Far East now :-)

6 hours by plane from Australia!

How come it takes people nearly a full day to fly there?

Or have they resurrected Concorde?

That's the power of Brexit, as opposed to the poverty of Brexit.

Most people wouldn't be able to afford Australian produce.

I note that the plan to take back Fisheries post bore it has been abandoned.

I am beginning to understand what Dunkirk must have felt like.

Retreat, retreat!!

Then they ended up with nowhere left to retreat to, and had to wait to be rescued.

Australia imports quite a bit of it's own food doesn't it? I know it's very expensive living there when it comes to food. If you then fly it over - 6 hours! I don't think so. I imagine we will be able to import some foods from other countries but at what cost? I have seen any figures and knowing how people on low incomes already struggle I can't see that being a good thing.

I thought I heard Johnson contradict May yesterday on the Marr show.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-18/johnson-contradicts-may-over-court-s-role-in-u-k-after-brexit

I wonder if he will repeat it after today.

He just makes me cringe every time he opens his mouth. His sister is far more sensible.

I hope he has evidence to back up his claim that "We actually have evidence within the last 10 years that Russia has not only been investigating the delivery of nerve agents for the purposes of assassination, but has also been creating and stockpiling Novichok."

Other countries will not just take his word for it. I actually wonder why anyone would looking at his track record.

Johnson is an over privileged oaf who imo lies more often than he tells the truth.