The Poverty of Brexit

Blimey MaizieD - thanks for that short list...

And yes Tegan, was thinking just the same. We stand VERY isolated.

The short list isn't actually mine, BTW. I got it from a mumsnet poster who'd found it on the 48% facebook group. It's a bit sobering, isn't it...

'short' is not the word I'd use, sadly ;)

The EU Is Giving Teens a Month of Free Train Travel Across Europe

As a remaining remoaner,I am horrified (but not surprised)by the length of MazieD’s list, given the scale of it I don’t understand is why so many supposedly intelligent & well informed politicians encouraged the people of this country to even contemplate leaving the EU.

And, what about the EU preventing us from doing trade deals with the rest of the world?

Macron recently announced a big bilateral deal between France and China and now Germany has won a 1billion+ euro deal to build armoured vehicles for the Australian army..(beating off competition from BAE. That's not very promising for 'global Britain' is it?)

I absolutely see how the EU is holding them back not

I guess only future history will reveal how right or wrong the final decision was. Some of us many not be around long enough to see the long term impact of this decision.
I wonder if it will be a topic on a future Gransnet forum! ?

Maizie, what makes it worse is that BAE has a big presence in Australia.

Most of us, I imagine, Bridgeit, as we will still be paying for it in 2064.

Hard to imagine what life will be like by then Durhamjen,someone may be reading the archives of 2018 Gransnetters?

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-14/some-20-banks-expanding-in-frankfurt-on-brexit-lobby-group-says

"Prof Hawking campaigned for the UK to remain in the EU, warning Brexit would be a "disaster" for science funding.

After the referendum, he said he was "sad about the result", in an article for the Guardian, warning against the "envy and isolationism" he said had driven it and arguing for a fairer sharing of wealth "both within nations and across national borders".

He was able to joke about it a few months later, at the Pride of Britain awards, when Theresa May presented him with a lifetime achievement award, describing him as "a man who has quite simply changed the way we look at the world".

"Thank you prime minister for those very kind words," he said, through his voice synthesiser.

"I deal with tough mathematical questions every day, but please don't ask me to help with Brexit." It brought the house down."

How about a “good things about Brexit” list:
Lots of jobs in the NHS, coffee shops, building sites etc for Brits as there will be no more furriners
The only furriners will be the hugely rich ones we have sold the utilities, public transport etc to and we can sell off the NHS, education to them as well
£350m a week to the NHS/ private foreign buyers of the NHS see above
Going abroad so expensive so we will all holiday at home
Any more good things?..

Really, geri?

www.24housing.co.uk/news/fewer-europeans-searching-for-uk-construction-jobs/

It's a shame that nobody wants the construction jobs that are being left vacant.
Builders will soon be offering inducements to get these EU builders to come back.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-14/u-k-s-brexit-bill-would-pay-for-itself-via-a-trade-deal-chart

Anything but a no deal WTO deal would be preferable. Hope the Brexiteers realise that.

I did have my tongue firmly in my cheek Jen!

So did I, Geri!
Then I discovered it was true.

infacts.org/take-back-control-borders-throwing-open-borders/

Chris Grayling doesn't understand anything. He's a useless transport minister as well.

Did you hear Grayling, our Transport Minister - say that there will no longer be checks in Dover or The Tunnel- as it would not be practical

totally bonkers.

sorry DJ, saw your post too late.

Did you notice the expression on Mairead McGuinnes when he said it?

Really, it would be interesting to hear from our Brexiter colleagues here, what do they make of Grayling's comments re no checks at Dover ot Tunnel? Is that what they expected?

It will certainly please the French - the Calais camp problem will be solved in days.

Nowadays I quite often think I must be living in a parallel universe so many mad things are said in U.K.

That's okay, jura. We agree on the fact that he's a prat.

I was half expecting Mairead McGuinness to walk out in disgust.

Yes Grayling seemed very ill at ease on Question Time in Dover. He paled into insignificance next to Keir Starmer who was on top form.
He couldn’t answer David Dimbleby’s direct questions (about Russian donations to the Tories) and was quite clear that “we will maintain a free-flowing border. “
“We don’t check lorries at Dover and we won’t be checking them in the future (post-Brexit).” he assured the public.
The Dover audience not convinced.
BBC News just covered it and interviewed a French port official who thought it was impossible not to do Border Checks at the EU border which would inevitably lead to delays on both sides of the border.

One questioner on QT asked whether ( Kent), the garden of England would, after brexit become the lorry park of England. Grayling said no, we wouldn't be stopping and searching lorries at all.

Right now the French do this for us but we can't expect them to do that after brexit. So they will not be searched at all..

So much for "controlling our borders"!