The Poverty of Brexit

Interesting piece on the Commonwealth on radio 4 - hardly any young people in India or Nigeria have heard of it, and the discussion was whether the Commonwealth will wither when the present Head of the Commonwealth passes away. I doubt whether many young people in this country have heard of it either apart from sport.

And the Commonwealth leaders might decide not to have Prince Charles as Head when the Queen dies.

I think you then have to ask what holds them together, mostly. They could vote someone in but what do they then exist for? You could maintain any special relationships you felt worth-while without the actual Commonwealth.

The Commonwealth does seem a concept from a different era. As is the monarchy I guess.
Just trade partners in the future? I must admit I barely pay any attention to the Commonwealth Games.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/most-brits-are-quietly-wishing-someone-would-just-make-brexit-stop-says-lib-dem-mp-a3763976.html

Yes, please.

There is the cross-party pro EU group, George Soros's pledge to back the Pro-EU campaign, the Our Future, Our Choice young peoples group, it seems to me that these might, just might put pressure on the Labour Party to move with the loud expressions of pro-EU views. If they see enough of the people do not want Brexit they may feel they should lead that movement. That, I think, would make a huge difference.

I see that scoundrel Farage is busy trying to stir up the U.K. population against parliament.

Channel 4 tonight.

He is a waste of space and it is disgusting 5hst he gets so much airtime.

Gina Miller is telling Tories not to get rid of May yet, as the prospect of someone else would be far worse.

I thought that Arron Banks was telling Ukip to join the Tories, whitewave, to move them further towards a hard Brexit.
Farage can't have anybody left in his party.

A very good and comment by a reader of the Evening Standard -

"We can and should stop this Brexit train crash. As the FT reported in May 2017, the UK has some 759 international agreements to renegotiate before Brexit day 29 March 2019, affecting our everyday lives, including foodstuffs, fisheries, air travel, nuclear power, and cancer treatments. If we are outside the Customs Union, we have to get port and border controls planned and built, including over 200 border crossings in Northern Ireland, and the danger to the NI peace that represents. ~~ With the lack of preparedness and lack of direction from May's government, we risk crashing out with No Deal, not even a transition period. Businesses (that haven't already done so) will be forced very soon to trigger their contingency plans, re-locating supply chains, investment, assets, and jobs to the EU27. Free of ECJ oversight, our human and workers' rights will be curtailed. ~~ This Brexit mess must be stopped!"

The film was, in fact, very interesting [and beautifully filmed]. I came away with the feeling that the brexit vote was purely an emotional one and there wasn't a single argument regarding the economics of it. It was very respectful of everyones point of view, the intention being just to 'give people a voice'. However, the muslim lady who spoke about the racial abuse she received the day after the referendum which left her daughter traumatised for weeks was very upsetting.

"Now that the economic case against brexit is unarguable,"

Ha ha ha - you are definitely wearing blinkers. Like most Remainers you hear what you want to hear, read every negative source and lap up all pro-EU news. You are doing Barnier's job for him.

Anyone would think you wanted the UK to suffer.

I'm sure that Barnier makes it his first task every morning to check up on the anti-brexit threads on Gransnet

Senior congressman says a US-UK trade deal will be struck 'as quickly as possible' after Brexit as he warns it would be a 'mistake' for Britain to stay bound to EU regulations

Today.

We do not need the EU. Yesterday it was Australia. To-day it's the USA.

Slowly and surely other free countries will seek to do a deal with Britain.

The future will be in our hands. The greatest enemy will be the negativity from within.

I'm sure that Barnier makes it his first task every morning to check up on the anti-brexit threads on Gransnet

The irony whooshed right over your head Maizie, didn't it?

I think my response matched the absurdity of your statement, Day6

If anyone follows social media, they cannot have missed the interview on sky news with a young person called Femi Sorry (I think) - it was impressive to say the least and there has been set up a group “our life, our future”

I wish the young all success.

Something to read

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That should have been “*Out future, our choice*”not our life our future. Trying to do it from memory.

A happy thought

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Slowly and surely other free countries will seek to do a deal with Britain.

I don't doubt that the countries that we already have a trade relationship with will continue it where it suits them. But you have put forward no argument that shows this will make up for what we will loose. In fact I don't think I have ever seen an economic argument that believable put this point - just a lot of rhetoric and emotion.

Senior congressman says a US-UK trade deal will be struck 'as quickly as possible' after Brexit as he warns it would be a 'mistake' for Britain to stay bound to EU regulations

Oh great - just what the neo-liberals want. And what actual sway does this unnamed senior congressman actually hold or is this just more US hot air?

Whitewave I typed up the interview with Femi Oluwole (I don't know if it's possible to 'see it again') on this post on this thread. I agree, he was most impressive.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 13-Feb-18 12:25:30 www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1245066-The-Poverty-of-Brexit?pg=5

This is a recent article by Femi Oluwole

Dear Jeremy Corbyn, young people need your help to halt Brexit

“It is not good enough to say to remainers – you lost, get over it, because we must accept that many are actuated by entirely noble sentiments, a real sense of solidarity with our European neighbours and a desire for the UK to succeed.”

Boris Johnson. Listen to him, Brexiteers.