Venezuela

It would have been nice to discuss Venezuela without immediately bringing in Corbyn

How can we discuss the situation in Venezuela without mentioning the contribution thee current government has made to it. If anyone can explain the factors, unassociated with the government that are contributing to this crisis I would be happy to discuss this.

Maizie you say if you are all so utterly ridiculous as to think that the UK is anything like Venezuela and could end up in the same place On what basis do you make this statement? There was a time a couple of decades ago when people would have said it was utterly ridiculous to think that such a economically right wing government could be voted and revoted in, in this country and that the opposition could be so ineffective. But it has happened.

It is dismissing such ideas as ridiculous that makes them possible.

Well said Maizie as soon as I saw the thread title it was clear exactly what was going on - using the suffering of the Venezuelan people in that way - nice.

Well, I'm not joining in because you don't really want to discuss Venezuela at all. You just want another excuse for yet another Corbyn hate fest. You've had three threads on him already and now we have another two of them, none of which have anything new to say.

And if you are all so utterly ridiculous as to think that the UK is anything like Venezuela and could end up in the same place nothing I can say will make the slightest difference. I had my say on Venezuela some months ago and I'm not repeating it.

So just have a lovely time talking among yourselves.

I haven't responded lemon - what can I say that I have not said? What makes me so angry is that this situation was very predictable yet so many people just seemed to ignore it or call it fake news.

And as for Corbyn - he should show his 'Solidarity with Venezuela' by going on a hunger strike instead of standing in front of banners and praising dictators.

Well said lemongrove !

Thanks to those who took the time to respond though.

GGM2... you have not commented on the Venezuela crisis even though you are on the thread.

The problem here (GN) is that if posters decide they don’t like you, no matter what the subject they will disagree with what you say.
I say it as I see it, and what I saw on tv the other night had me in tears.
Simple as that.
I am surprised at those who will not comment on the Venezuela situation simply because of their own politics, i.e
Feeling loyal to Corbyn.It’s bigger than that, and the LP is bigger than Corbyn.

If you say so MOnica.

exactly. of course writing not writting.

I know I have difficulty getting my thoughts down in writting Jalima but what don't you understand about "Not about the topic but I certainly agree with you re MSM Maryeliza"

Nothing political about the OP, just a statement of fact. Venezuela's current dire situation is the result of government mismanagement. The government is a socialist government.

Read my post nn

maryeliza.

I'm rather about the link to the Sun as it was nothing to do with Venezuela, was that the wrong link?

What's your opinion about Venezuela?!

Maduro certainly is not suffering from a lack of food himself, judging by the picture in this link:

www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/we-loot-or-we-die-of-hunger-starving-venezuelans-steal-kill-to-eat/news-story/30e1122ebd174c9b8f5b971f0801f2d5

I do apologise for giving a link from a Murdoch publication.

MOnica - this post was political from the word go- look at the OP. As for right of centre posts, I really can’t believe you have said that - what about the pro UKIP ones for starters and do you really think all the anti Corbyn posts are from disgruntled left wingers?

The silence of our left wing posters on this,subject is deafening!!

Not about the topic but I certainly agree with you re MSM Maryeliza and this is an example of something splashed all over a front page with a small apology later. We are not only not getting a balance we are getting lies, obfuscation and just a lack of all round reporting. MSM is more propaganda than news.

maryeliza54 when have you ever read a right of centre opinion on GN? I haven't, at least not recently (last 3 years).

Political discussion is monopolised by the left and anyone putting any other view is hounded out. Fortunately, having never in my voting life voted for either of the two main parties, I do manage to dip in now and again and like a very small dog, nip their ankles. I never stay long, too boring.

Sorry, I am making this thread political, the people of Venezuela deserve better than that. There were pictures in the paper today of a kidney transplant recipient, slowly dying because she cannot get her anti-rejection drugs.

Meanwhile Nicolas Maduro, President of Venezuela has been accused, with evidence, of accepting tens of millions of dollars in bribes and creaming off oil revenues to ensure that he, his family and other government and army senior officials are do not have to do without anything or feel any hardship - and of course when the whole thing finally collapses, slip away to a nice neutral country (Syria, he has funded Assad or Russia) to live a pleasant life enjoying his ill gotten gains.

Perhaps MOnica if the MSM were more balanced, there could be a better debate and a more informed public about political issues. Instead a simplistic political dichotomy is presented which we see on GN as elsewhere with both the left and right depicted in cartoonish format. As a left of centre person, and never a Corbyn supporter, I get weary of the left=Corbynista position put forward by some of the right of centre on here and the equally simplistic views put forward by some of the left of centre. I am completely politically homeless. I can not vote Conservative but will not support Labour whilst they are in competition with the Tories to destroy women’s rights. Going back to Venezuela - it’s an utter tragedy when you think how well it was doing and its enormous oil reserves and what it could have done. Like many other S and C American countries it has a long history of being conquered by Europeans and then being run by military dictatorships of one kind or another. There’s no history of democracy of any substance. And of course coups organised by the States eg Chile.

No. Comment in defence of Corbyn and his praise for Venezuela as a perfect example of what he wants for this country

I emphatically not a Conservative supporter, but one of the main reasons we are in a position where it is conceivable that a man like Jeremy Corbyn could become Prime Minister is that for once in a lifetime the Conservative Communications Department has for the last several years, been monumentally incompetent.

Jeremy Corbyn has history of cosying up to terrorist organisations, and countries of doubtful democracy (to put it carefully) including his mindless support for the devastation of the economy of Venezuela and the suffering of its people - and he tries to pass himself off as a compassionate man. He makes me sick.

Why on earth is this not constantly being brought to public attention? a Labour government I can live with, a Labour party led by Corbyn that will make us the Venezuela of Europe fills me with fear, not for myself, but for my children and grandchildren.