Corbyn and Momentum

I agree, Grandad. Maybe that's a big difference; Labour vote for policy, Tories vote for people.

2010, Grandad, although it does feel like 1010 sometimes.

Did you see them being laughed at on QT last night.
Brexit means will of the people.
Fracking should not take will of the people into account.
Kenneth Clarke and Farage both agree with fracking.
They were both left in no doubt what Lancashire thinks of that.

I'm not sure if the manifesto is the limit of their ambitions though, or just a taster for a more radical program if they are elected. John McDonnell seems to distance himself sometimes from his very consistent past. He concerns me far more the Corbyn.

Lemongrove, the problem is that a growing number of the population cannot see the present policies so espoused by this government solving the major problems that this country has. Austerity began with the election of the Conservatives in 1010, but throughout all the years of severe fiscal restraint the National debt has continued to grow, while standards in wages, housing, equality , NHS to name but a few have fallen.

In the above, those with large wealth have seen that wealth increase significantly, while those on middle income have seen their disposable income decline. For many in that group hopes of owning a home of their own have disappeared with parents often having to work longer hours just to buy the essential items needed for day to day living.

I would ask, how can anyone support this government in the continuation of the above policies, time for something different and that is what the Labour Movement are offering.

Hopefully most people will see sense and ask to remain.

I think that is why I’m seeing cliff edge or remain. Because a deal is impossible

Sorry, the country.
I can feel the huge sigh of relief already.

I am hoping that after May's speech today, thew country will realise that Brexit is impossible and stand up for the remain cause.

Corbyn's policies are in the Labour manifesto.
Lots of us will vote for this manifesto, not the man.

Such a shame you cannot find a figurehead of your own, but never mind. Tory ministers don't even agree on the same policies.

Eloethan.... I didn’t say that though did I? I said ‘feel free to say how marvellous’ etc.
Nobody has said it ( in so many words anyway.)
I will vote on ‘policies’ too and not the person, but Momentum have made a cult out of the man ( Corbyn) and not the party itself.
It is certainly not just the Conservatives btw that have run campaigns using smears in the past.
The feeling I am getting on this thread is quite interesting, in that a few posters are all for a Corbyn led government ( no matter what policies he espouses) but that others are a bit more worried about it ( or let’s say they broadly welcome it but have reservations and hope it would turn out all right.)
Some of us do not welcome it at all ( understatement of the year!)

Nor me whitewave and the division is one of real anger.

I can’t ever remember our country being so divided and in such a mess.

Grandad. I'm afraid I agree it's a possibility. Even if it averted by an election can you imagine the work the winning party would have to do!

Silly thing to say. No country had any until 1945.
Dropping them on Japan was testing them.

MaizieD I can answer your question but it would take to much space and time. I will answer it this way many British scientists cooperated in the Manhattan project and after the war we got our own weapon, I think the main man was called Penny. Do you think for one second that Hitler would have attacked Briton (i.e the battle of Briton) if we had had a nuclear weapon.

I vote on policies, never for an individual. To do that doesn’t make any sense.

lemongrove Who on here has said how "marvellous" Corbyn is? I think most people who support the current direction of the Labour Party feel that it is the policies that take centre stage, and if another leader had put forward similar policies he or she would have received equal support.

The Conservatives, with the aid of their chums in the press, have run campaigns maligning successive leaders of the Labour Party. Attlee, Wilson, Foot, Kinnock, Brown and now Corbyn have all been subjected to relentless campaigns - and where ridicule proves to be only marginally effective, rumour and unsubstantiated smears are added to the mix. It is not the person that is the issue but the values which the party espouses and the policies it puts forward. Any party that has an agenda which does not prioritise the demands of powerful individuals and organisations will meet resistance from the Conservative Party, which after all was formed to represent a small but powerful section of the population and which continues to derive the bulk of its income from that same group of super rich individuals and businesses.

Can't remember where I read that today, Grandad.
Like you, I hope it's correct.

Durhamjen, we can only hope you are correct in your above posting, as the conservatives are so hopelessly devided that no solution to Brexit or any of the major problems this country faces will be solved by present government

GracesgranMK2, I believe that unless we address the very serious social problems facing this country that large scale unrest may well start to manifest itself in the not to distant future. That could well be brought forward more quickly by Brexit

weownit.org.uk/node/1748

Lots of areas where change is needed and can be done quickly and easily.
3-1 chance of May not being in Downing Street by Christmas.
2-1 chance of a general election this year.

That has long been my opinion Grandad but look how she carried people with her. It was very deliberate but who now believes in trickle down, etc. The continued attack by George Osbourne of the poor and less able just continued what she set in process.

I have my worries about JC - not that he is a communist or anything so weirdly anachronistic but simply that they will not update the way they enact the ideas about nationalism, etc. My hope that balances this is they appear to be happy to listen to those who have made research, of all the economic areas where change is needed, their life's work and the party appears to be spending time in preparation for what needs to be done.

Well, good heavens, it's in the Times, so we can't read it.

More complaints about Comrade Corbyn and his authoritarian behaviour from his MPs.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/corbyn-stamps-out-dissent-after-critical-tweets-by-mps-s9znrwkkl