Corbyn and Momentum

Precious to us all, surely?

Most surely

Mine may only be one vote and it may not win elections but it is precious to me.
Of course!
Me too

Grandad 1945

Given you have intimated you believe Jon Lansman and the Unite Union, albeit without official status so to speak, started Momentum, something I am struggling to accept, can I ask you this.

Why do you think Lansman is standing against against Jennie Formby for the position of General Secretary?.

The close link between Momentum and Unite and the close link both personally and professionally between McClusky and Jennie Formby surely could lead to Len McClusky being put in a difficult position and would that not be a peculiar position to put him in as an ally, accomplice ?

I must admit I think if the rumours are true Jon Lansman , Jenny Formby and Andrew Murray are all candidates and presumably one of them wins I see this as even more of a shift to the far left for the Labour Party and the position of General Secretary will seal the deal.

Appreciate your thought.

Could someone please tell me what is in all this for Jon Lansmann as I find myself not able to understand?

An extremely rich capitalist property speculator with alleged links to asset stripping and tax havens - does he want this type of equality for all?
Please could someone explain as I just don't get it at all.

Is it just power?

He's been a Labour activist for years Jalima1108 Is there some sort of rule that to have a social conscience you have to be poor? There is a rich history of left wing activism amongst the upper middle class.

does he want this type of equality for all

This is the problem with people misunderstanding what those to the left of centre want. I can't speak for all of them and certainly not for Jon Lansman but those I know would say they want equality of opportunity not equality of outcome - they would be a) silly and b) almost certainly unachievable. But if you fancy giving it a go Jalima do let us know how you get on.

they that

He's been a Labour activist for years
I know that trisher and no reason at all (we've had this conversation I think) but I thought many fingers in speculative capitalism was supposed to be exclusive to Tories.

There is a rich history of left wing activism amongst the upper middle class. - I think everyone knows that! Mr and Mrs Corbyn were wealthy left-wing activists years ago.

What I want to know is - what are Lansman's motives? What makes him tick? Just how controlling may he be?
And does equality for all mean embracing capitalism to enable everyone to be as rich as he is?
Or will the poor still be queuing at foodbanks while he swans off to his dacha like all those Russian leaders he admires?

I just want to know.

But if you fancy giving it a go Jalima do let us know how you get on.
That isn't a very clever answer, but then perhaps no-one has an answer.

How do you know that Mr and Mrs Corbyn were wealthy left-wing activists years ago?
Have you been reading the Fail again?

Corbyn has hired a new equalities advisor. Munroe Bergdorf. A transgender model fired by L'Oreal for saying all white people are racist. Apparently, "the Suffragettes were white supremacists" and she has just written an article for Grazia this month titled 'Women are getting feminism wrong'.

After the (justified) fuss over Toby Young, I cannot see how this was a smart appointment.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/27/labour-hires-transgender-model-said-white-people-racist-advisor/

Sorry - just catching up and realised this has it's own thread!

That isn't a very clever answer, but then perhaps no-one has an answer

I gave you the answer Jalima but I will try again as you seem to have a problem with it.

You were talking about equality of outcome. Please tell me where any left of centre party or person is advocating that?

What they do fight for is equality of opportunity.

To be honest I am surprised you don't know that.

1009 joined Momentum this week. So many reds under the beds! And so worrying.

Oh isn't it
To misquote Calendar Girls "We are going to need a bigger bed"

And more bedrooms

More bullies

Jalima.....you must have noticed before now, only leftwing
People are allowed to be wealthy without having scorn poured upon their heads.

Yes, another strange ‘right on’ equalities advisor choice by
Corbynista land.

As I commented on another thread, the reds are not under the bed, they are lounging about on top of it, drinking lattes and tweeting.

It great news that more people are getting involved in politics whitewave.

I think it shows a real yearning to be involved and something they haven’t had the opportunity to do for many years. So much is discussed and decided on in a totally democratic way. It is heart lifting to see democracy in action.

lemongrove No one has poured scorn upon the wealthy- except in your imagination. Of course there are rich people, and if they pay their taxes none of us lefties object to them at all. It is the massive earners who don't contribute we object to.
Interesting about the suffragettes Primrose65 they have up till now been viewed through rose tinted glasses. They were about as varied a bunch as you can imagine. Some of them would undoubtedly be called terrorists now. Some were very middle class and wanted the vote for middle class women. Only a few believed in universal suffrage.

How do you know that Mr and Mrs Corbyn were wealthy left-wing activists years ago?
Have you been reading the Fail again?
Why so snippy an answer djen?
To quote another poster:
To be honest I am surprised you don't know that.

I haven't read it in the msm, I know from a friend whose parents were also activists and went to rallies etc with them. In fact DF probably knew them as well, but, not being wealthy, he didn't have a car so any rallies he went to would have been limited to nearer home.

What they do fight for is equality of opportunity.
I realise that is their aim Gracesgran

What posters seem unable to answer is what motivates Lansmann.
Is it altruism?

Corbyn hasn't got a car.

I'm not talking about Jeremy - obviously.