Labour advisor : "You're white and your entire existence is drenched in racism.".

Biggar has also been widely supported by other academics, trish.

You assume too much about Times articles, maiz, or perhaps I should say too little. A thing doesn't have to be left-wing to report the truth.

A question (well, several): what is "the LGBT community"? Who belongs and who doesn't? If someone who is gay, say, doesn't 'belong' (perhaps that Tory MP you mention?), why don't they belong? Might it be because they don't want to have to align with everything "the LGBT community" says is proper "LGBT community" stuff, because they want the freedom to speak for themselves?

Can a supporter (i.e. someone with no prejudice against L or G or B or T people, someone who treats people equally however they identify) be a member of this community? And if not, why not?

Didn't "the LGBT community" write off Peter Tatchell as not one of them because he made so bold as to disagree with something the "community" thought he shouldn't disagree with?

Nigel Biggar wrote an article telling us we should not feel guilty about our colonial past.
I wouldn't expect anything but prejudice from him.
That doesn't sound prejudiced, it just sounds like a statement of fact.
However, I have not read the rest of his article.

Unless, of course, you agree with the Biblical saying that 'The sins of the fathers should be visited upon the children unto the third and fourth generations?'

"We cannot change the past but we can learn from it and re-shape the future"
But perpetuating and emphasising racial divisions as MB appears to be doing would seem to be counter-productive to progress.

Whether I am prejudiced or not is immaterial. I am just stating my opinions.
You are using an article from someone who is definitely prejudiced against someone who admits to calling out people about racism and our colonial past.
You read articles and quote from articles by someone who is obviously prejudiced against Bergdorf, yet you will not read her justification.
Why not?
Frightened it will affect your opinion?

Nigel Biggar has been widely criticised by other academics for his stance on empire
www.theguardian.com/education/2017/dec/22/oxford-university-accused-of-backing-apologists-of-british-colonialism

Is that the same Paul Morgan-Bentley who calls himself plain Paul Bentley in the Mail?

Apparently wondering about other people’s posts is ‘policing the thread’

I've always been at how third parties are so willing to lay into an exchange which has nothing at all to do with them and think they have the right to tell the posters how to behave.

As soon as the tweets quoted in *Baggs'^ article (from The Times, was it, Baggs? That well known left wing journal who just wouldn't be dreaming of looking for anything to discredit the LP...not) are put into context they become what looks very much like banter among a group of friends. Although we have a gay tory MP reportedly finding those tweets shocking I think that the Rice-Davies response may well be invoked here.

If one of you determined googlers finds something from the LBGT community which wholeheartedly condemns Ms Bergdorf's tweets I might have to change my view. ATM I'm not overly convinced.

No problem baggs

Nigel Biggar wrote an article telling us we should not feel guilty about our colonial past.

He's done rather more than written an article about it.

I wouldn't expect anything but prejudice from him

Why? If you haven't studied his academic work on empire and colonialism, isn't that attitude prejudiced?

I haven't read MB's defence of herself because I haven't seen it, dj.

Nigel Biggar wrote an article telling us we should not feel guilty about our colonial past.
I wouldn't expect anything but prejudice from him.

Apologies, janea. I did not read carefully enough. Please accept that my response should be directed at the people concerned.

It wasn’t your post I objected to baggs.
In fact I sympathised with your thoughts.

But I’ll clear off now. Apparently wondering about other people’s posts is ‘policing the thread’

So you haven't read Bergdorf's defence of herself.
Why not?

Nigel Biggar.

He said we should “moderate our post-imperial guilt”.

I must remember in future, janea, not to confess my imperfections, which is exactly what I did in the post you object to. I was admitting to some unkind thoughts, as I said.

I suppose my thoughts could be called prejudice but I don't think they were. Critical, yes, but not prejudicial. There is a difference.

I don't think people's negative reactions to some of the things MB has been quoted as saying is prejudice either.

To those defending MB's reading of history I'd say yes, some of what Europeans did all around the world was the lowest of the low. But white people alive now were not part of that. White people cannot change their heritage any more than non-white people can. Blaming generations alive now for what previous generations did is biblically unfair. The sins of the fathers are not the responsibility of the sons and grandsons and great grandsons.

And, in any case, as that Oxford professor whose name I've forgotten said quite recently, empire and colonialism are complex issues and, as he said, not all bad.
Further to that there are historic, geographic, and other reasons why Europeans so dominated so much of the world. People should perhaps read Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel for an understanding of how and why things happened as they did. If it hadn't been Europe it would have been somewhere else.

How can someone who has said such unpleasant things about gays give advice on LGBT

BTW, I'm not sure I agree with the l'Oreal sacking. Bergdorf is as entitled to her opinions as anyone else. Free speech and all that. But I can understand l'Oreal's wish to dissociate themselves from some of MB's comments.

I think I'd better post the whole article in which I found the quotes:

A Labour Party adviser on LGBT+ issues faces calls to resign after branding a Twitter follower a “hairy barren lesbian” and saying she wants to “gay bash” a TV star.

The transgender model Munroe Bergdorf, 29, was appointed on Monday as an LGBT+ adviser to Dawn Butler, the shadow equalities secretary. Ms Bergdorf announced her role by posting a photograph of herself at parliament with Jeremy Corbyn and writing that she would “help form and push through fairer and more effective policy change”. But The Times discovered a tweet where she made fun of a friend, saying: “How’s your barren womb? We all know your little secret . . . hairy lesbian!” She also criticised a singer on television, saying: “You have to admit she did look like a butch LEZZA tho.” The DJ from London wrote that a character on the American TV show Glee was so “annoying” that “even I’d like to gay bash him!”

Ms Bergdorf has said all white people are racist and “women are getting feminism wrong”.

Nigel Evans, a gay Tory MP, said last night she must resign or be sacked. He added: “I’m absolutely shocked. I don’t know which community she’s representing but it is certainly not mine.”

The Labour Party announced on Monday that it had formed an LGBT+ Advisory Panel. Mr Corbyn and Ms Butler launched the group at a reception in parliament and posed for photographs with members. The panel includes Owen Jones, a columnist for The Guardian, and Linda Riley, a magazine publisher.

Ms Bergdorf was dropped as a model by L’Oréal last year over comments on Facebook. She was said to have written: “Honestly I don’t have energy to talk about the racial violence of white people any more . . . Yes ALL white people.” The post was later deleted. She has also labelled suffragettes as “white supremacists” and said feminists should not focus on female reproduction because “not all women have a vagina”.

In an exchange with a friend on Twitter in 2012 she wrote: “Aren’t you meant to be crying over the fact that your womb is broken you hairy barren lesbian.” Another tweet referred to a follower as a “saggy ol dyke”.

Two years earlier, Ms Bergdorf tweeted: “Ever find that sometimes you’re just NOT in the mood for a gay and their flapping arms . . . Queen PLEASE . . . Calm down or I’ll show u drama!!!” She made fun of a male friend tweeting about the singer Celine Dion, writing: “Get a grip you old poof”. In April last year, she wrote: “Gay male Tories are a special kind of dickhead.”

Mr Evans said: “If I was looking for an LGBT champion she would be at the bottom of my list. Many people will be offended by these tweets. Corbyn should think again about whether he wants the gay community represented by such a person.”

Conor Burns, another gay Tory MP, said: “Any civilised right-minded person would find these comments shocking. We will see if the Labour leadership thinks these things are acceptable based on whether she stays in her position or goes.”

Ms Bergdorf’s role on the panel advising Ms Butler is unpaid and not managed centrally by Labour. Last night, the Labour Party, Ms Butler and Ms Bergdorf all declined to comment. A spokesman for Ms Butler has previously commented on the LGBT+ panel, saying: “Dawn is proud to stand with those challenging discrimination.”

Ms Bergdorf has defended her comments about gay Tories, saying the language was “strong and perhaps I wouldn’t use that turn of phrase now,” before adding: “I do continue to be confused by how somebody who identifies as a gay male can actively support a political party such as the Conservatives.”

On suffragettes, she said that initially only some women with property won the right to vote and “these conditions stood in the way of working-class women and largely women of colour”. She defended comments on racism, saying: “Society does unconsciously centre and prioritise whiteness, which leads to unconscious bias and ultimately racism.”

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CAMPAIGNER’S TWEETS

On lesbians: “Aren’t you meant to be crying over the fact that your womb is broken you hairy barren lesbian” (March 18, 2012)

On gay men: “Ever find that sometimes you’re just NOT in the mood for a gay and their flapping arms” (August 19 2010)

On suffragettes: “The Suffragettes were white supremacists who were fighting for WHITE women’s rights” (February 18 2018)

Prejudice towards Bergdorf!? Those examples given in the OP of what she has said suggest prejudice may be emanating from Bergdorf.
That's what I meant when I said Sometimes an objective, non-prejudicial viewpoint is best when employing someone for a job like this

She may have experienced prejudice for more than one reason, which is wrong, but she seems to be showing signs of it herself so someone more objective and without any prejudice would perhaps be better for an important job like this.

Here you are, janea. This is the most recent picture of me:

I've read quotes of what she said, dj. Such as this:

"She also criticised a singer on television, saying: “You have to admit she did look like a butch LEZZA tho.” The DJ from London wrote that a character on the American TV show Glee was so “annoying” that “even I’d like to gay bash him!”"

So, don't worry, I didn't make it up.

One son of a slave owner and slave became a JP and a High Sheriff in this country.
He was called Nathaniel Wells - he married the daughter of a chaplain of King George II.