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Labour advisor : "You're white and your entire existence is drenched in racism.".

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Day6 Tue 27-Feb-18 19:54:26

Of all the people to advise, Labour has recruited the trans model who was sacked from her role with L'Oreal because of her savage racist remarks.

From The Guardian: www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/27/trans-model-munroe-bergdorf-advise-labour-lgbt-issues

Labour finds itself embroiled in another row after appointing an equalities adviser who claimed that white people's 'entire existence is drenched in racism'.

The Transgender model Munroe Bergdorf who wrote these slurs last year has been appointed to advise Labour politicians on LGBT issues.

“Yes ALL white people. Because most of ya’ll don’t even realise or refuse to acknowledge that your existence, privilege and success as a race is built on the backs, blood and death of people of colour. Your entire existence is drenched in racism.”

Bergdorf also tweeted the suffragettes were “white supremacists who were fighting for WHITE women’s rights”, arguing they specifically left black people out of the movement.

Bergdorf had called gay Tory activists a “special kind of dickhead” and suggested white people had been conditioned to be racist.

Helen Grant MP who is the Conservative vice chair for Communities said "When Jeremy Corbyn was elected Labour leader, he promised a ‘kinder politics’. Yet it seems every day we see some new example of abuse from the Labour party. The kind of language Bergdorf has used has no place in public life, and ought to be condemned by all those who are serious about promoting equality.”

It seems Labour can turn a blind eye to 'some' hate speech. This follows the row about anti-semitism within the party. Will suspended Ken Livingstone who brought the party into disrepute will be back in the Labour Party fold before long? Insiders say he is likely to be readmitted.

whitewave Fri 02-Mar-18 08:04:53

Getting votes based on feelings and not on truth.

We’ve just done that and look at the mess we are in

Iam64 Fri 02-Mar-18 08:36:27

But of an aside but thus week, two gtr Manchester mosques have stayed open all night to offer warmth, shelter and clothes to homeless people. A mosque in our town works daily offering essentials to homeless people.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 02-Mar-18 09:25:52

Following your branch from the main conversation Iam, I wonder if it was actually the Baby Boomer generation who were the "me" generation; who dropped being part of society in order to be "me"? In the past all our churches would have been doing such things but now so many of them only have services one week in three or have been sold off to become "converted" just as we, perhaps without really noticing it, have become "converted" to believing we don't need societies structures.

Going full circle that would tell me that a party which is trying to listen, hear and understand why people feel so disenfranchised might be doing the right thing. Yes, if the fear and anger is based on misconceptions it needs explaining but it needs more than fine words. We need a society where on a daily basis people believe that those in power are listening and care about others lives because they can see that in action.

durhamjen Fri 02-Mar-18 09:29:02

Wasn't it Thatcher who said that there was no such thing as society?
You can certainly tell who believed her.

trisher Fri 02-Mar-18 11:45:15

Primrose65 I do agree that some feelings are not based on truth but I don't think it's a widely held belief in any community that the suffragettes were white supremacists
The beliefs surrounding the women's suffragist movement are in many cases clouded and uninformed. If I was of a different race I would look at them and think they were mainly white. Much as I look at them objectively now and realise some of them were not interested in and indeed opposed universal suffrage. Unfortunately the actuallity has been obscured by a myth. All women suffragists were not'suffragettes' for example and would have been insulted to be called this.

Jalima1108 Fri 02-Mar-18 12:26:56

Yes, she did and then said:
“they never quoted the rest. I went on to say: There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then to look after our neighbour. My meaning, clear at the time but subsequently distorted beyond recognition, was that society was not an abstraction, separate from the men and women who composed it, but a living structure of individuals, families, neighbours and voluntary associations.“
iea.org.uk/blog/there-is-no-such-thing-as-society

durhamjen Fri 02-Mar-18 12:39:51

How often do you criticise Corbyn for a soundbite?

Jalima1108 Fri 02-Mar-18 12:42:28

Are you talking to me?
confused

GracesGranMK2 Fri 02-Mar-18 12:52:07

I think people didn't quote the rest because that first bit proved to be how the Tories saw things.

Jalima1108 Fri 02-Mar-18 13:30:29

I was just providing a link

durhamjen Fri 02-Mar-18 14:10:37

University fees?

Baggs Fri 02-Mar-18 15:00:27

The comments on that link you provide, jalima, are quite enlightening. I've never understood what was meant by the "there is no such thing as society" quote. I have a much better idea now. It's quite philosophical when you see aspects of the wider context.

And it doesn't mean what I think people have tended to assume it meant.

Baggs Fri 02-Mar-18 15:02:36

The comments that mention the way "community" is used are particularly enlightening, I found.

Jalima1108 Fri 02-Mar-18 15:24:40

Yes, I found it interesting, as I always found that 'sound bite' (if that is what it is termed as) rather odd and never quite understood it.

University fees?
djen do you mean like the links I provided re university tuition fees?

I shall be taking over as the queen of links before you know it!

petra Fri 02-Mar-18 17:30:24

Jalima
In your dreams grin
You might come in 3rd place if you can be arsed to spend that much time on GN.

Anniebach Fri 02-Mar-18 17:45:23

Jalima if it became an Olympic event you wouldn't get a sniff of the winners stadium ?

Jalima1108 Fri 02-Mar-18 18:01:26

sad
I keep practising
In fact, I've probably got more chance of getting a gold in the over 65 sledging event if I could dare venture out into the garden!

Iam64 Fri 02-Mar-18 18:49:37

trisher, thanks for referring to the suffragists. It's something I feel strongly about as well.

Luckylegs9 Fri 02-Mar-18 19:01:41

To get back to the original post, it is so incomprehensible to put Berghoff in any post in government as she is so rascist and biased, she would be unsettling to say the least in any role. You have surely to question the person who made this bright decision and their motives fir doing so, it certainly wasn't for unity.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 02-Mar-18 19:19:55

Have you read the thread LG?

Baggs Fri 02-Mar-18 19:43:06

It's not against the rules to answer the OP without reading the thread, GG.

Jalima1108 Fri 02-Mar-18 19:50:56

It is sometimes preferable to do that as threads can meander (winter sports have nothing to do with the OP btw).

GracesGranMK2 Fri 02-Mar-18 19:51:43

No, it isn't but to declare " it is so incomprehensible" made me wonder if she had. It's not against the rules for me to ask as far as I'm aware Baggs.

Jalima1108 Fri 02-Mar-18 19:55:22

It certainly is not GG but I don't think that the rules state that Luckylegs9 has to answer.

Anniebach Fri 02-Mar-18 20:10:45

I so agree luckylegs, it seems she is in need of counselling before trying to give advice on the problems of others