Labour advisor : "You're white and your entire existence is drenched in racism.".

Getting votes based on feelings and not on truth.

We’ve just done that and look at the mess we are in

But of an aside but thus week, two gtr Manchester mosques have stayed open all night to offer warmth, shelter and clothes to homeless people. A mosque in our town works daily offering essentials to homeless people.

Following your branch from the main conversation Iam, I wonder if it was actually the Baby Boomer generation who were the "me" generation; who dropped being part of society in order to be "me"? In the past all our churches would have been doing such things but now so many of them only have services one week in three or have been sold off to become "converted" just as we, perhaps without really noticing it, have become "converted" to believing we don't need societies structures.

Going full circle that would tell me that a party which is trying to listen, hear and understand why people feel so disenfranchised might be doing the right thing. Yes, if the fear and anger is based on misconceptions it needs explaining but it needs more than fine words. We need a society where on a daily basis people believe that those in power are listening and care about others lives because they can see that in action.

Wasn't it Thatcher who said that there was no such thing as society?
You can certainly tell who believed her.

Primrose65 I do agree that some feelings are not based on truth but I don't think it's a widely held belief in any community that the suffragettes were white supremacists
The beliefs surrounding the women's suffragist movement are in many cases clouded and uninformed. If I was of a different race I would look at them and think they were mainly white. Much as I look at them objectively now and realise some of them were not interested in and indeed opposed universal suffrage. Unfortunately the actuallity has been obscured by a myth. All women suffragists were not'suffragettes' for example and would have been insulted to be called this.

Yes, she did and then said:
“they never quoted the rest. I went on to say: There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then to look after our neighbour. My meaning, clear at the time but subsequently distorted beyond recognition, was that society was not an abstraction, separate from the men and women who composed it, but a living structure of individuals, families, neighbours and voluntary associations.“
iea.org.uk/blog/there-is-no-such-thing-as-society

How often do you criticise Corbyn for a soundbite?

Are you talking to me?

I think people didn't quote the rest because that first bit proved to be how the Tories saw things.

I was just providing a link

University fees?

The comments on that link you provide, jalima, are quite enlightening. I've never understood what was meant by the "there is no such thing as society" quote. I have a much better idea now. It's quite philosophical when you see aspects of the wider context.

And it doesn't mean what I think people have tended to assume it meant.

The comments that mention the way "community" is used are particularly enlightening, I found.

Yes, I found it interesting, as I always found that 'sound bite' (if that is what it is termed as) rather odd and never quite understood it.

University fees?
djen do you mean like the links I provided re university tuition fees?

I shall be taking over as the queen of links before you know it!

Jalima
In your dreams
You might come in 3rd place if you can be arsed to spend that much time on GN.

Jalima if it became an Olympic event you wouldn't get a sniff of the winners stadium ?

I keep practising
In fact, I've probably got more chance of getting a gold in the over 65 sledging event if I could dare venture out into the garden!

trisher, thanks for referring to the suffragists. It's something I feel strongly about as well.

To get back to the original post, it is so incomprehensible to put Berghoff in any post in government as she is so rascist and biased, she would be unsettling to say the least in any role. You have surely to question the person who made this bright decision and their motives fir doing so, it certainly wasn't for unity.

Have you read the thread LG?

It's not against the rules to answer the OP without reading the thread, GG.

It is sometimes preferable to do that as threads can meander (winter sports have nothing to do with the OP btw).

No, it isn't but to declare " it is so incomprehensible" made me wonder if she had. It's not against the rules for me to ask as far as I'm aware Baggs.

It certainly is not GG but I don't think that the rules state that Luckylegs9 has to answer.

I so agree luckylegs, it seems she is in need of counselling before trying to give advice on the problems of others