The Labour Party

Anyone live in Westminster, Wandsworth or Barnet?

Could be good news for the Labour party there.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018/03/10/with-the-tories-facing-a-possible-rout-in-london-what-is-going-to-happen-in-uk-politics/

Very powerful, Grandad.Nobody comes out of racism and bigotry very well. I feel very sorry for the forklift truck driver, and the woman.

This thread over many days has "kicked around" the subject of racism as a political football. However Racism and bigotry surround us in every aspect of our life, whether that be on the internet, in our politics, in sport and in our workplaces just to name a few places of its existence for this behaviour.

Therefore, If can be allowed to go slightly of topic for a few paragraphs to give forum members my personal experience of racism and bigotry at its very worst and the devastating impact it can have on people's lives

As I have stated in another thread for the last 35 years I have worked in industrial safety starting my own company in 2002. In the foregoing, we carry out the installation of safety regimes in workplaces, follow up audits, tuition of safety to employees as well as accident investigation, etc. In that, a few years back we were assigned to carry out an accident investigation at a large distribution centre in the West of England.

In the above as it was a very serious incident, we found ourselves working alongside personnel from the Health & Safety Executive. The accident involved a forklift colliding with a person who was on foot inside the centre, resulting in life changing injuries to that employee.

On first analasist it appeared that the forklift driver was 100% liable for the incident. The forklift driver was a black person where on interview it was established he was a member of the gay, transgender community in the town he resided in although he never demonstrated that at any time while working.

The foregoing became known to other employees in the workplace and what only can be described as a "continuous campaign" of racism and bigotry against him began among a number of other employees in regard to his colour and sexuality. The foregoing caused a stress situation to gradually develop within the forklift driver and that became established as the root cause of the accident. The behaviour of those perpetrating the racism and bigotry became known to supervisors and lower management at the distribution centre prior to the incident, but no action was taken against those carrying out the harassment.

In the above what we established during the course of that investigation totally disgusted me and others working alongside me. The investigation resulted in the employer being fined heavily under the Health & Safety at Work Act (Employers Duty of Care) and under the Equalities Act. However the life of the female employee who had a young family at that time will never be the same again. Many working at the centre were dismissed or other disciplinary action taken against them, and life of the forklift driver was totally ruined.

Racism may originate as just words at a meeting, at a workplace or on a forum such as this. It can be used as gain by some, but for those who it is perpetrated against it can be devastating.

I would hope that all on this forum would agree that racism and bigotry should not be a subject in which we try to score political points off one another, everything else I feel is fair game.

Apologies for the long post, but I felt it was relevant to this discussion.

Thanks for explaining about comparators to me GGMk2. I don't think I need you to tell me what to discuss though - that seems a little controlling to me.

There is no reason why we shouldn't discuss comparators Primrose - unless this is another rule you have made up. So, why don't you start discussing the racism in the Conservative party. The way (still just a few, but in this case their actual leaders) they have described immigrants, the less poor and the less able - anyone who is not PLU as far as they are concerned.

It's being discussed as GGMk2 started the thread with a post about anti-semitism. It's topical.
I've never implied it's just a Labour problem, neither has anyone else that I've read on this thread, but this is a Labour thread about 'The Labour Party'. So it's not a surprise that Labour MPs are discussed.
It's really not a competition about who's the worst, or the least bad. That's called a general election campaign!

Corbyn cannot wield the levels of power, he has never power.

So Thatcher inviting Pinochet for tea excuses Corbyn for inviting IRA leaders to Westminster? As a Labour Party nember who Thatcher entertained in the eighties doesn't interest me, that Corbyn did the same whilst colleagues and staff in Westminster we're grieving shows a man with no feelings for the emotions of others or respect for people's grief does trouble me

None of which means there is any less anti semitism in the LP maryel as in ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’.

Nobody is complaining ‘bitterly* mostly and you do seem to have a bee in your bonnet ( or very thin skin) when discussing the subject of anti semitism in the LP .
The LP has been in the news quite a lot about this in the last year and this is a thread about Labour and all pertaining to it.I don’t mind anyone saying there is racism in the Tory Party ( bound to be some I should think) but Corbyn thought it worth his while to have an inquiry into LP anti semitism, even though it was badly done and a whitewash.

You are absolutely right mostly . Talk about motes and beams.

But you obviously think it’s worth your time complaining bitterly about racism in the Labour Party primrose while implying it’s a Labour problem when there is a great deal of evidence that the Conservatives are worse offenders.

Here’s my contribution

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/tories-have-forgotten-that-thatcher-wasnt-just-a-terrorist-sympathiser-but-close-friends-with-one-10507850.html

well I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m quite happy to have any politician of any party named and shamed on this thread - as long as what is posted is true of course.

I don’t care about Lansman’s heritage either. But then I’m not the one attacking him.

I don't justify racism from anyone, from any party.
I don't dismiss it as a slur or a smear either.

Name and shame them on a tory thread if you feel passionate about it. I'm happy enough to name Corbyn when he uses language like "importing cheap labour" which I think is dehumanising and pandering to racists.

So how do you justify the racism (including anti-semitism) in the Tory party primrose? Is it of a more acceptable sort of racism than in the Labour Party?

Maybe that's an elephant for a Tory thread then mostlyharmless.

I really think you did imply that lemongrove was being anti-semitic in criticising Jon Lansman when you posted

"As Jon Lansman is a Orthodox Jew is that not a clear example of anti-semitism????"

The only person who's been remotely interested in the Jewish heritage of Lansman is you, mostlyharmless. We're just interested in his politics.

In 2015 a former aide to Thatcher and Major described the Conservative party as “essentially racist”. Link above.

The Tory councillor who moaned there too many “P****s” in his town. Link is above.

Aiden Burley (Conservative MP) who organised a Nazi themed stag party. Link above.

The Tory councillor who called Islam “the religion of peace and rape.” Link above.

The Tory council candidate who said she would never support “Jew” Miliband. See link above.

Just interesting that you think that Labour Party racism is worse than Conservative Party racism!

Deflection going on here methinks.
Does any racism in the Conservative Party mean that anti semitism in the LP should be forgotten about?