The Labour Party

This thread is about the labour Party. It is not about anti-semitism

Yes it's about the Labour Party , when did Rees Mogg become a member / supporter

Some Labour ( Corbyn supporters always) may well find this subject distasteful ...

The distaste will be for the way posters have used others suffering because of the hatred they have for one party. Grandad's example shows this could be used in any direction but this is a constant where Corbyn and the Labour party are concerned. Posters are just regurgitating a dishonest argument.

Seems that John McDonnell has dropped Corbyn and other MPs even further in it.

He said on Sky it was pointed out to Corbyn that some people were expressing anti-semitic views so that's why he left the group in 2015.

So who told him? Must have been another member of the group, to see the content. They did nothing to stop it. They didn't report the LP members.

He didn't see any anti-semitism over the 2 year period he was in the group, posting and liking posts he was not tagged on. But he left the group because of anti-semitism.

Mind you, John McDonnell needs to ask why his own chief of staff is a member of the group - Seb Corbyn was/is a member too.

And if Corbyn knew it was an anti-semitic group, why did other Labour MPs join after he had left?

It's the coverup that always catches you out.

This is why the LP has an issue with anti-semitism.
There are no weapons here. Their own behaviour and the pathetic coverup that's full of holes is all that's needed.

Posters are just regurgitating a dishonest argument.

So point out what is factually incorrect instead of trying to undermine posters.

That's the difference, you see. I'm not smearing Corbyn. His behaviour is smearing him.

How do you stop a Facebook group Primrose?

Obviously, by the reaction of "some" forum members to my above posting (Grandad1943 @11:15 am Friday 9th March) they do not wish to see any balance brought into in this thread. I am not a Labour party member and have at times in my long life voted for other parties at election and may well do so again in the future.

However, I always believe in the balanced, reasoned argument which in this thread (even leaving the racism theme to one side) has been sadly lacking, by example statement advising, "four persons over seventy control the Labour party"

In the above, my posting in regard to William Rees-Mogg was made to inform all who may read this thread that racism exists in both the main political parties and not just in the Labour movement as many posts here would infer so was the case to thread readers.

Racism breeds on the oxygen of publicity given to those who make such disgusting statements. Sadly, those statements are made by all sections of the society we live in and therefore no one should try to perpetuate the false ideology that this disgusting activity only exists in one political party or any one organisation.

There is much in William Rees-Moggs past that still could be stated. However, if racism is no longer referred to in regard to members of the Labour movement by "some" posting in this thread, then I will not refer to that activity in the Conservative party again. In the foregoing we shall withdraw the oxygen of publicity to racism, create a balance in the thread so we can debate such statements as " four persons over seventy controlling the Labour party" in a much "cleaner" atmosphere.

Does Corbyn not control the labour party?

How do you stop a Facebook group Primrose?

My comment was referring to the anti-semitic content within the group.

If you want to 'stop a facebook group' you simply report it to Community Standards. If you accidentally stumble into an anti-semite pit of hate on FB in your search for something more palatable, here's what to do.

www.facebook.com/help/212722115425932

However, I would suggest he should have approached this in the same way as you try to stop any racism within a party if you're the leader of that party.

If all else fails, try saying 'Hey, that language is offensive and not acceptable'.

It's not that difficult. If he can't deal with a FB group and just runs away and does nothing for 2 years, how can he run a country?

Corbyn is leader

McDonald after several attempts to stand for the leadership put Corbyn forward and being shadow chancellor and often speaks for Corbyn plus who felt powerful enough to stand on stage in the O2 and Call the majority of Labour M.P's - f*****g losers , this definately showed power

Lansman the big cheese in Momentum

McClusky union leader who has a desk in Labour H,Q,

Four men controlling the Labour Party

I don't think anyone has reported it as an 'anti-Semitic pit of hate' Primrose - it seems that Corbyn didn't actually see the doubtful comments, they were reported to him. He didn't join the FB group; someone added him - just as someone could do if they thought it might prove interesting. As far as I can gather the comment and commentators where reported to the proper people in the party and were/are no doubt being dealt with.

Those of us who have been interested in what Labour is currently saying will continue to be interested, to wait and see where the LP goes and make our decisions at the time we need to. I don't believe any hysterical posts on this thread would affect my judgement, other, perhaps than to give the other person/party a little bit more benefit of any doubt in the future.

I understand where the smear campaign is coming from and how biased it's source. You can blow this up and make it as out of proportion as you like Primrose but what does that achieve?

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They weren't 'doubtful comments' GGMk2. What makes you think that? They were absolutely vile posts, videos from neo-nazis and worse.
I imagine you're trying to play it down because you know how shameful this is. If you think it's not something to be ashamed of, then just say it's OK to watch KKK videos.
But don't deny what Corbyn was a part of. It's not hysterical at all, it's just that was the content. Hundreds of pages of rubbish in the report. If you find the anti-semitic content hugely distasteful, complaining about it is not hysterical. Saying this stuff was just 'doubtful comments' makes you sound like you find this sort of material ordinary, not extreme. For me, this is extreme. Perhaps it didn't seem extreme to Corbyn either?

Quote [Anniebach. 9th March 16:58
Corbyn is leader
McDonald after several attempts to stand for the leadership put Corbyn forward and being shadow chancellor and often speaks for Corbyn plus who felt powerful enough to stand on stage in the O2 and Call the majority of Labour M.P's - f*****g losers , this definately showed power
Lansman the big cheese in Momentum
McClusky union leader who has a desk in Labour H,Q,] End Quote

Four men controlling the Labour Party

Anniebatch, the above are four people, one of whom does not have a seat on the Labour National Executive Committee, which is the main policy making body of the Labour party.

The above body consists of thirty nine persons each with an equal vote on any matter. How then can three people on that executive control the Labour party?

I am not denying anything. I am telling you what I have seen reported. You are going by what you have seen. There was a couple of minutes on the Daily Politics or the Sky programme but they didn't seem to be saying anything of why you are saying.

Corbyn was added by someone else. You can easily miss posts in a group. He only posted a few times and then he left. He did not post anything racist. I am happy to believe that. I do not believe your motives are to enlighten me or anyone else Primrose.

why what

So is every Daily Mail reader a racist as everyday there are examples of extreme racism in the comments under the articles of the online version?
Some may be moderated and deleted but there are dozens if not hundreds of examples of racism every single day. Does that make all Mail readers racist if they don’t call every single racist comment out?
If Corbyn read the Daily Mail he would be a racist by your logic, but so would a large proportion of the country. I know some of you Corbyn haters on this thread are Daily Mail readers. So does that mean you are guilty by association? We all unfortunately see and hear examples of racism. Does that make us all racist?

I am telling you what I have seen reported

hysterical posts .....MSM......disproportionate outrage......the weaponising of anti-Semitism

No. You've been voicing your opinion pretty robustly, giving the impression that Corbyn has done nothing wrong. I think he has.

Letter from a Labour MP getting hysterical about MSM smears and disproportionally outraged by Corbyn being an accidental member of an anti-semitic facebook group and liking stuff by mistake.

What has he done wrong Primrose?

Letter from the Chair of the Labour Friends of Israel? Now where should I put that in the scale of people being upset with someone who supports the human rights of the Palestinians. Ummm.

mostlyharmless I'm sure Corbyn, or at least his staff, will read the Daily Mail every day. It will be part of their job. However, the people who write those comments or your 'average Mail reader' are not asking to be elected to run the country, are they? If they were, I'd probably be as robust with them as I am with Corbyn.

He's saying he's received a copy of the Mail for a couple of years, had a bash at the Suduko but didn't see the headlines on the front page. He arranged some meetings for Paul Dacre and the senior editors in parliament, liked a few of the articles about house prices and plastics, written a couple of features about LP policy but never realised the newspaper had a whiff of racism about it.

I think your Daily Mail analogy has brought some clarity to my issues with Corbyn.

What has he done wrong Primrose?

Lied.

What has he lied about and how do you know?

You seem to have a sudden attraction to the word "robust". Just to give you a few choices: strong, vigorous, sturdy, tough, powerful, powerfully built, solidly built, as strong as a horse/ox, muscular, sinewy, rugged, hardy, strapping, brawny, burly, husky;

Letter from the Chair of the Labour Friends of Israel? Now where should I put that in the scale of people being upset with someone who supports the human rights of the Palestinians

So if you're the Chair of the LFI, you don't have the right to complain about Corbyn being a member of a group where neo-nazi content was widespread?

I think you should add some clarity around that.

What does the Chair of the LFI have your permission to complain about to Corbyn? Or are they not allowed to complain about anything?

Good that you can only make personal attacks on me now GGMk2.