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Corbyn's Magnetism

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Primrose65 Mon 19-Mar-18 09:53:54

A thread for all Corbyn lovers & haters

whitewave Wed 21-Mar-18 14:53:23

Lots of boxes being shifted out of CAs office. As there is no warrant who is doing that?

whitewave Wed 21-Mar-18 14:57:55

Some questions as a by-the-by. What did Johnson, Gove et al know about CA?

Day6 Wed 21-Mar-18 15:17:41

"There are deep connections between this group and the Tory party the military, and the royals."

Ha ha..can't you see Corbyn and the Trots in the Labour Party rubbing their hands with glee?

Any reason to take out the establishment in one fell swoop. You can feel his supporters here getting excited. It won't be long before the Red Flag is run up the mast at Buckingham Palace..... grin

Day6 Wed 21-Mar-18 15:24:35

Old Meg - "you are probably right that many social media are used in that way. My point, or one of them, is how sad it is that people as so stupid? gullible? full of prejudices? that they can be manipulated so easily."

Given the wide and global spread of social interaction via machines and screens, I don't find it surprising at all that people have difficulty discerning truth from fiction. Even on this thread people are jumping the gun, believing what they read or questioning what others have read.

It's no wonder that cute kittens rule the world wide web. grin

whitewave Wed 21-Mar-18 15:30:06

You can add money laundering to that mix as well day6 the CAs Nottingham offices have been raided

Primrose65 Wed 21-Mar-18 15:33:57

It seems the thread about Cambridge Analytica has moved here for some reason. Here you go

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1246423-Cambridge-Analytica

Day6 Wed 21-Mar-18 16:05:01

The Observer - "Massingham, who confirmed SCL’s account, told the Observer his company’s focus was about engaging with a campaign’s supporters and tailoring the message to them. “It’s about communicating with them in a timely and meaningful manner, not giving them too much content, and what you do give them is within the lines of what they want to hear.”

A debate is raging. Can behavioural profiling influence elections or is it a hyped technology, albeit with major consequences for privacy? Either way, the industry has come a long way since the 1980s when it first fascinated Oakes. “Behavioural modelling involving big-data analytics has arguably passed an inflection point,” said Dr Simon Moores, an expert on cybersecurity. “Thanks to the growth of predictive analytics, algorithms and big data-mining businesses you can now look forward to a future that’s made up of equal parts Orwell, Kafka, and Huxley.”

Would seem to me like they organise mass marketing for firms that pay them.
Isn't the scandal they way in which they mine data. Are their clients to blame?

I see the left are jumping on the Royals, Eton, the Tory party.

a) Old Etonians tend to get on in business. Fact. Not fair perhaps, but nothing unusual there. (We have to hate them though, say the left.)
b) Royal involvement? What? Who? When? What is the Queen paying this firm for?
c) One of their clients was the Conservative Party. So what? They have thousands of clients asking them for a certain sort of promotion.

If CA have used underhand means to mine data and threaten or intimidate, or blackmail even, then yes, let the culprits be outed. That is disgraceful, unprofessional and criminal behaviour. However, I am sure all their clients used them in good faith. Marketing and advertising is not a crime.

This is guilt by association is it? hmm

The left are playing Cluedo with this....it was in the Palace throne room, with David Cameron, using smart phone. hmm

It was in the White House Oval Office with Hilary Clinton using a.....grandfather clock.

It was in an Israeli kibbutz with Vladimir Putin using a loaded umbrella....

They all of course knew an old Etonian. grin

Let the investigations begin.

durhamjen Wed 21-Mar-18 16:07:23

Did you watch the Channel4 programme?

GracesGranMK2 Wed 21-Mar-18 16:09:42

As this is probably the greatest influence on the up and coming local elections it will have something to do with many of the politics threads surely?

I will be interesting to see just who gets dragged into the reports surrounding this and how we will find out exactly what has been going on. One thing I feel pretty sure of its that we will see that big data has been used in all elections in recent years. The difference is whether you are told you are signing up to party political messages or whether it is being done in a subversive way.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 21-Mar-18 16:10:35

I It

whitewave Wed 21-Mar-18 16:10:44

It isn’t the left, it is everyone who is concerned about democracy which I assume includes a few Tories? Anna Soubry has been tweeting her alarm as well as a number of other Tories. you can’t make this a left right thing, but a perversion of our democracy.
day6 are you aware of the issues here?

durhamjen Wed 21-Mar-18 16:14:54

Hope not Hate.

www.hopenothate.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Briefing-turn-the-page-on-hate.pdf

Primrose65 Wed 21-Mar-18 17:12:14

Isn't the scandal they way in which they mine data. Are their clients to blame?

I agree Day6. This is not one company, Etonians or the Queen. It's also not 'news' or anything to do with a whistleblower. Here's an article about CA and the Trump campaign from 18 months or so ago. (I don't think it's paywalled, let me know if it is)
www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/the-british-data-crunchers-who-say-they-helped-donald-trump-to-win/

The one question I have to ask is why are people getting excited about this now?

whitewave Wed 21-Mar-18 17:32:17

We aren’t we’ve been talking about it for at least 18 months on and off. It is just that as expected the s...t has hit the fan.

Try all you like primrose to talk it down, this has legs. The links go as far as Ukrainian oligarchs and Putin.

Primrose65 Wed 21-Mar-18 18:19:50

What shit has hit what fan, exactly?

Primrose65 Wed 21-Mar-18 18:27:29

According to the testimony of the 'Facebook whistleblower' at the select committee,

"The amount of data that passed out of Facebook was “vast”, says Parakilas. You are likely talking about tens of thousands of apps and some of those apps had hundreds of millions of users, he says."

So out of those tens of thousands of apps, why is CA, who just bought the data, 'the story'?

durhamjen Wed 21-Mar-18 18:37:04

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018/03/21/the-challenge-to-democracy-is-from-capitalism/

whitewave Wed 21-Mar-18 18:43:07

Trust like truth the first victim.

lemongrove Wed 21-Mar-18 18:43:59

Not sure Primrose in fact the biggest mistake they may have made was to big themselves up to clients by saying they had influenced votes.It’s unprovable......there is no way of knowing how a person voted unless you actually asked all of them and they gave you a true answer.

durhamjen Wed 21-Mar-18 18:52:24

Really? What about the fact that he said they offered girls and took videos, used fake IDs?
Blackmail and corruption is supposed to be taken seriously in this country, particularly when it's been shown and heard on television.
Is that not provable?

durhamjen Wed 21-Mar-18 18:54:54

The next part will be on Channel4 news in five minutes time.
Make sure you bag the tv tonight, whitewave.

durhamjen Wed 21-Mar-18 19:28:42

Brilliant. A senator asked if he would be using Cambridge Analytica again now he knows what they have done.
He will not decide on what he has been told. He needs to find out the facts.
Who from? Best friends Nix or trump?

durhamjen Wed 21-Mar-18 19:37:54

www.theweek.co.uk/92413/cambridge-analytica-facebook-zuckerberg

The first lawsuit against facebook.

whitewave Wed 21-Mar-18 19:42:41

No warrant until at least Friday!! I’ve never known anything like it.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 21-Mar-18 20:02:28

It sounds very odd. Are they afraid of Facebook or rather their lawyers.

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