Corbyn's Elasticity

There is a lot of vileness around in the new gentler way of doing politics Annie sad isn’t it?

It shows poor judgement on Corbyn’s part ( attending a far left Jewish meeting) instead of a meeting of Jews from all political backgrounds.A meeting where the names of other Jews ( none far left) were loudly booed and hissed.

If I’d joined a group of Christians and found they were homophobic, anti abortion and verybright wing, I’d have left . I wouldn’t have gone along to any of their gatherings because I wouldn’t want to be associated with their approach to life

Yes lemon, he has dragged people down to a level I have never witnessed. He has brought jealousy, envy, bullying with him.

In its first intervention since the row engulfed Labour, the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) said the party needed to demonstrate that it was serious. Rebecca Hilsenrath, its chief executive, said: “The Labour party and its leadership need to show action and not just words.”

From The Times today
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jeremy-corbyn-s-labour-tainted-for-ever-as-antisemitic-says-jewish-donor-michael-foster-2pv82lwk5

Devastating cuts to the Equality and Human Rights Commission by the Conservatives reveal their real attitude, beyond the rhetoric, to issues of equality and discrimination.

From the LP Manifesto

I'm sure the LP will welcome the intervention by the Chief Exec of the EHRC and will move beyond their own rhetoric and address their own issues.

It was absolutely very poor judgement lemon. Jewdas was set up by a person who is on the committee for JVL - the group that organised the counter-protest in parliament last week. But the LP has issued a statement saying that Corbyn didn't join in the chants of 'fuck the police' at their satire of seder though, so that's all OK.

Iam, that would be good wouldn't it.

This is something like the sixth or seventh polarised discussion on how bad Corbyn is with others defending against what turn out to be lies of obfuscation. They are deliberately set up as "how much can we criticise Corbyn" threads.

Sadly, I don't think it is me you need to address about stopping this endless call for spite. I did try starting one to change the bile filled pages into a reasoned discussion - reason is happening on other threads - but it was overrun by the usual sour, personal attacks. I do wish you well with the suggestion but I would have thought the thing to do would be to change the direction of this thread so another bitter and hate filled thread is not seen to be worthwhile.

Just my opinion

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So what is the "approach to life" this group of Jews have that Corbyn should have disagreed with Iam? Do we know they are homophobic, anti abortion or very right wing? That doesn't sound likely.

GG I think you missed my point, I certainly do not think there are the "wrong sort of Jew". I was merely making the point that Corbyn was unwise to attend a celebration with a group which holds extreme left wing views. It would have been more politically advantageous if he had attended the celebration with a group who had not expressed such extreme views. I would feel the same if a leading Conservative politician attended a meeting with an extreme right wing group.

For those who are clearly not interested in the Islamaphobic Leave poster, you may be entirely disinterested to know that a Labour MP has reported it Twitter as hate speech..
I for one welcome that news.

What is wrong with extreme left-wing views Oldwomen. Are Jews not allowed to hold them or is no one allowed to hold them. We may not agree with them but are we really going to stop our politicians talking to them so they don't offend those with extreme right-wing views. I find it very sad that this resent adventure by the MSM, etc., is leading to the very suppression of views a man like Corbyn would fight against - left or right; agreeing or disagreeing.

What views do they hold that are so unacceptable that we cannot even talk to them?

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Again GG you miss my point. I have no problem with their political views, however, as Corbyn is in the middle of such an uproar wouldn't it have been more politically expedient for him to have tried to defuse it by meeting a group of more moderate people?

Or was it a group of Jews, celebrating Passover in the way that Jews do, who are constituents of Corbyn's,

Well, no, it wasn't.
It wasn't his constituency, it was Meg Hilliers.
It was 'a satire' on the celebration.
No one is suggesting they are the wrong type of Jew, except Corbyn's defenders. I think it's highly unlikely that many Jewish people celebrated in the way they did!

He made a decision to go to a seder where traditional celebrations are 'the normal seder shit'. Perhaps he thinks it makes him look edgy. In the context of recent events, it just makes him look like an ignorant fool at best.

I think we need more of the actual law getting on to social media whitewave. On the other hand this brakes-off period we have had does remind us of the lessons Lord of the Flies taught us. Our descent into savagery is pretty quick and shows us what a thin veneer of civilisation we have.

Why should he bow to the views of another small group of Jews stirred up by the barons of MSM, Oldwoman.

No one should be able to make racist or hate speech based on religion. But surely, no one, should be able to close down political discussion either?

Michael Rosen author of the Bear Hunt tweeted

“We are going on a witch hunt, we are going to catch a Corbyn. What a beautiful day. We are not scared. Uh-Uh. Jewdas! The wrong sort of Jew! We can’t go under them, we can’t go over them, Oh no! We’ve got to tell lies about them: smirch, Samir has, smirch smirch.....”

Sums it up with childlike clarity don’t you think?

If Jeremy Corbyn was still a Labour backbencher, very few people would bat an eyelid at him spending an evening with a group of joyfully belligerent hard-left activists. But he isn’t.

Corbyn is not a protest politician anymore, his decision to attend the Jewdas Seder will be interpreted by many as a middle finger towards many of the British Jews marching on Parliament in protest of what they see as an unprecedented and unacceptable rise in anti-Semitic views under Jeremy Corbyn’s watch.

Corbyn cannot expect people to find the sincerity in his admissions of failure, if it's immediately followed by a meeting with a group that have explicitly dismissed many of the allegations he just conceded to.

From the New Statesman.

Your quote was, I believe, written as a joke. The actual ceremony was the Seder as celebrated by Jews everywhere.

You can twist this as much as you want Primrose - I do not think Corbyn said "the normal seder shit' but you are using a construct that makes it look as if he did as well as quoting the group he visited out of context.

The discussion on here, from those who previously defended all the views of the right-wing, conservative Jews has now descended into discussing "good" Jews and "bad" Jews and I don't like that one bit and will let you get on with your version of reasoned discussion on anti-Semitism.

So Corbyn in a move to show how he will tackle anti semitism proudly announces he met with and listened to a group of left wing young people.

Last try. All his life Corbyn has talked to the politically unapproachable on the basis that if we don't talk we fight. I am happy to see a leader who understands that.

GG - you are again missing my point - he is a politician and should have been more savvy than to visit such an extreme group during the current climate. However, I feel you will never understand the point I am trying to make so I will not try any more.

What really annoys me is the way this is being presented on MSM and the misinformation being bandied about. You have to listen very carefully to hear what has really happened. Corbyn went to a dinner with a left wing Jewish group. The right wing group which oppose this are described on the news as "mainstream" not as right wing or Conservative. He has offered to have a meeting with this group but wanted an open meeting. They have sent him an agenda, which he has to agree to if they are to meet. So it isn't actually his fault there hasn't been a meeting.
Still the first casualty of war is truth, and there is undoubtedly a war against Corbyn. Posts on GN make it evident.

So Corbyn in a move to show how he will tackle anti semitism proudly announces he met with and listened to a group of left wing young people.

Exactly Annie. Except you missed the fact that they are left wing young Jews.

I do understand the points you are trying to make Oldwoman. I don't agree, that's all.