Corbyn's Elasticity

Wow who can you be talking about primrose?

The issue really is that the right wing including the Tory party and their racist islamaphobic attacks on Khan are not immune from such “hate and bile” just as the Guido Fawkes site isn’t either. There is some foul stuff on there isnt there?

Forgive me from misquoting you. I thought purely from memory that you defended cheating by Leave on the CA thread. I was clearly incorrect.

I haven't defended anyone over cheating and I have not defended Leave.EU either. My comment on Leave.EU was about a disgusting racist image they created which someone thought to post. Spreading the hate and bile on twitter isn't enough for some - they need to bring it here too.

Of course I may be wrong in that question, but no doubt you will let me know

primrose do you mean the poster from Leave uk?

Aren’t they the ones you were defending over their cheating during the referendum?

Woodcock not Wood Ockerman!!

Tom London tweeted

“Did anyone at BBC news not think before running the good jews/bad jews story?
Some basic research would have revealed this to be Staines and Wood Ockerman smear of the crassest kind.
Someone needs to get a grip at the bbc news
Reputation of a decent standard of news journalism are not forever.”

Here here

Why is this thread filling up with unrelated rubbish and deadlinks from twitter? I think we all know what's out there on twitter and we're capable of finding it if we're interested.

I object to some of the hateful stuff there being given the oxygen of publicity and a wider audience.

That’s better!

That link doesn’t seem to work not sure what I did try this one

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pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ3BVc1WsAASf6U?format=jpgA satirical message from Jewdas

pogs if the links that you are looking at prove to be nothing more than foul mouthed rants or fake news then you need to point this out not keep it to yourself.

Smear by innuendo isn’t particularly attractive. You need the courage to say exactly what you mean.

Who on earth started the #punishamuslimday. I would be very frightened if I was a Muslim. Has anyone in authority made a comment about such atrocity?

white wave

At least ' I know' something about your latest post , although I am still in the dark what on earth you were on about before to be honest concerning what ' I know'.

You say :-

"dj used those links to show how disgusting his tweets are/were.

Anyone who uses his site as a base for their argument has to ask themselves exactly what sort of Britain they really want.

It tends to be a cesspool of racism and far right political thought."
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I think I will stand by my view .

Social Media sites are taking over from the MSM to a degree and they can be toxic in my opinion. For example links to overtly political sites by posters to try and make their own political point are no different, well actually they are probably ' far worse '. Those links are connecting posters to ' hyper-partisan ' sites which presumably the poster believes to be true as it complies with their own thought / beliefs . To be fair sometimes there are valid points made to be considered and I double check the information for reliance and honesty and I accept they have a point. However I find more than often they are nothing more than opinions, fake news or foul mouthed rants and the worst are the links to a site which is making unfounded accusations and could be said to be nothing more than ' trial by propaganda '.
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As for 'cesspools' I have often thought that applies to a good many links put up by posters to be honest and they are on this thread I think some posters need to look in a mirror.

Ah now I get it. There is anti-semitism in the Labour Party. This anti semitism suddenly appeared on 12th September 2015 when Jeremy Corbyn was elected leader. If Corbyn had not become leader there would have been no anti-semitism. If Corbyn steps down as leader there will be no anti-semitism. This is the level of absolute lunacy some now seem to be believing.
And yet hang-on isn't one of the people accused of anti-semitism Ken Livingston? And wasn't he a Labour member long before 2015?

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If any of those who stood for leadership had been appointed this saga certaintly would not have taken place.

2 years on and the allegations of anti semitism within the Labour Party are just as rife. Corbyn and some of those who surround him then have chosen to carry on for 2 years having promised to sort the problem out when it reared it ugly head so long ago. This has come back to haunt them.

Corbyn has hand picked his team, I do not necessarily mean his Shadow Ministers , I am talking of the heart of his Leadership backroom personnel conjoined with Momentum et all. That point is obviously no different in respect to any other party but if the microscope is on them then they are accountable for what they do, say or write like anybody else.

To some the stories and allegations will always be stuff and nonsense and a smear campaign by the MSM to oust Corbyn completely ignoring the voices making allegations come from within the Labour Party itself by it's own own MP's and Councillors. . That point then in turn gives rise to those who see no problems within Labour under Corbyn's Leadership as the right wing of Labour causing problems for Corbyn et all.

Yes anti semitism is NOT restricted to a nasty element left /right or indeed anywhere in between of the political spectrum . There are plenty of threads and posts that make that point .

However to dismiss the problem faced by Labour re so many allegations of anti semitism, bullying and deselections by deflecting away from the issue is not neccessarily 'balancing' the thread or debate ' if ' it solely for the purpose of not having to address the issue or indeed allow others to give their opinion.

The common denominator of the issue surrounding anti semitism, deselections and bullying in the Labour Party is Jeremy Corbyn's Leadership and it started with the Jeremy for Leader / Momentum Party . I do not believe for one moment had any of the other candidates for the Labour Leadership had won this saga would have been taken place.

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durhamjen uses and quotes from Guido Fawkes all the time and has done for the past few years

I'm not sure what the argument is in this post lemongrove. If anything you see to be arguing my point for me. It is quite common to quote others and, as long as you do it accurately and attribute your quotes, I'm not sure what the problem would be. I would welcome you quoting the posts you says exist on this thread otherwise I will continue to believe they were not made. There is no argument to be made based on figments of your imagination.

dj used those links to show how disgusting his tweets are/were.

Anyone who uses his site as a base for their argument has to ask themselves exactly what sort of Britain they really want.

It tends to be a cesspool of racism and far right political thought.

Pogs, I am working in my home office today with plenty to do. However, first apologies for not responding to your question of me on the 01/04/18 @12:58, but this thread has moved on so quickly that trying to follow all the questions and statements made when also working over the Bank holidays has "taken some doing" LOL.

However, as a new member, I find this forum really enjoyable and a real credit to its owners and all who engage in it, many thanks.

Pogs, your question I believe was in regard to how I feel Momentum will continue within a Labour party that has seen its ties to the trade unions strengthen in recent months

In answer to the above, I believe that Momentum has served the purpose it was set up for, and as a substantial number of its activists are undoubtedly also trade union activists, then the future for Momentum will be decline.

In the above, The Labour Party was born out of the British trade union movement. In that they have always paid a very large percentage of the Labour party bills even when Blair Brown and co almost denied any connection or make any reference to them.

Corbyn does not have any great trade union background, but he does recognise the role they play in the Labour party and therefore is encouraging once again ever greater participation from them.

Now, Pogs or anyone else who has experience of working out numeric risk assessments please get down to North Somerset and get on one of the workstations in the main office. I am working from home so I would not be distracted in that office, some hopes LOL

see you all later. Now, head down again.

durhamjen uses and quotes from Guido Fawkes all the time and has done for the past few years, or is that acceptable as she is very left wing? Wrong for anyone else?

Any links back to the posts you have accused other GNetters of making yet lemongrove?

POGS only ww knows!