Corbyn's Elasticity

So you are making it clear that you don't want any sort of balance on this thread, is that right?

Interesting idea: Boris as a balance to Corbyn, except I thought Mogg had already been chosen for that role.

There’s balance and balance.
If a poster just goes on and on about say, Rees Mogg or Boris when the OP is about Corbyn, how is that helping?
The poster would be better saying why he/she thinks that Corbyn is doing a good job ( about whatever is being discussed) .

But there is balance on this thread, those who support Corbyn, those who do not,

But is that strictly true?
Shouldn't the Leader of the Opposition be balanced against (by?) the PM?
The Foreign Secretary by the Shadow Foreign Secretary?

What is Rees-Mogg's position?
Oh - The North East Somerset MP will head the European Research Group (ERG), which was formed by Eurosceptic Conservatives and campaigns for a hardline approach to Brexit.
So who is his equivalent in the Labour Party?

(Answers on a postcard)

That was in answer to Baggs Boris as a balance to Corbyn, except I thought Mogg had already been chosen for that role.

Lemongrove, when a person will not respond to a valid point put to them in any discussion it inevitably demonstrates a great weakness in that persons aurgument. Therefore, many on this forum would without doubt realize that fact should you decide to continually not respond to polite,salient and valid points made against any aurgument or point you or any one else should make.

I realized when I joined this thread that there where a number of forum members who only wished to "slag off" Jeremy Corbyn with rediculas, unsubstantiated and personally insulting remarks. In that, those persons seemed to demonstrate no other reason for that action than their own gratification and also seem to feel it would further their favoured polical party in the country.

In the above, I apologize if my postings in this thread have "spoilt" the above forum members enjoyment of the same thread. However, I firmly believe that no person should be subject to such statements and ridicule ether in the wider media or social media such as this forum without someone bringing Ballance to the discussion.

I shall therefore continue to post counter aurgument and Ballance to posts I feel need such action.

Is it just this thread that needs balance? Or are we going to have to do an audit of all the politics threads? Any volunteers? Sounds like a bit of a boring job tbh.

My problem with the 'balance' is that it's often nothing to do with refuting the point made in the post. It's simply 'but the Tories are as bad'. It's not balanced on the topic - they've done xyz, which was grim, but also abc, which is great. It's just pointing out that others are grim too. So the 'balance' is always left bad - right bad. I'm not convinced that's an appropriate fulcrum.

As I ignore posts unrelated to the thread title

Jalima1108, Jacob Rees-Mogg is a prominent Conservative back bench MP who is being tipped as the possible next leader of that party.

Therefore, should it not be brought to the attention of the wider public what his attitudes may be in realation to racism and ethnic stability, especially when members of alterative parties are having their attitudes to the same discussed.

I have never posted anything about Corbyn which isn't fact .

He did support the IRA

He did cock a snoop at the fact his colleagues in Westminster were grieving,

He did leave his college because he did not agree with the carriculum.

He did leave his second wife because she chose a school for their son which he didn't approve of.

He did hug the Momentum heckler who caused a Labour female MP to leave the hall in tears.

His staff did break into the office of a female MP who was undergoing treatment for cancer

He did remain silent when his close friend stood on a stage in the O2 and called some labour MP's f*****g losers.

He did run a campaign from his home to bring back militants who had been expelled from the party

All of the above can be substantiated, and are not insulting

Was there / is there not a thread for Rees Mogg?

Its a thread for Corbyn lovers and haters
Putting the Corbyn issues into context and seeing the bigger picture are all essential parts of a proper discussion. Otherwise it’s not a discussion.
Being able to justify your assertions is important too Annie without repeating the same few (questionable) insults.

Not a problem. We can frame everything Corbyn does within the context of Jacob Rees Mogg.

Taking your first point Annie “he did support the IRA”.

Corbyn and other Labour politicians did support the Catholics in Northern Ireland who were very badly treated by the ruling Protestants. But at no point did he advocate violence.
(I say this as someone who was caught up in a major IRA bombing incident in London in the 1970s)

Not insults mostly harmless , facts

Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion that condemned IRA violence in 1994
Labour leader supported an early day motion to commemorate the victims of the IRA bombing in Birmingham in 1974
From The Independent. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-ira-violence-1994-general-election-a7761801.html

Quote [Asnniebach Wed 04-Apr-18 15:12:59

A prayer by Jewdas Seder end with

F**k the queen and especially f**k Prince phillip, burn down parliament . Full communism . Amen

Corbyn must has felt so comfy with this group ]End Quote

Anniebach, you state, everything you post on Jeremy Corbyn is fact. Therefore could you demonstrate to this forum where the above prayer recited by Jesse Seeder is published as fact.

Also Anniebach could you also demonstrate to the forum that should the prayer have been recited as you state, Jeremy Corbyn must have sat comfy with the group in that as a fact also

He advocated violence by supporting one side, attending memorial services for one side, for running a campaign to have an IRA member jailed for murder be classified apolitical prisoner

Do name the other MP's who supported the IRA, McDonald and Abbott are on record as supporters

I did not say the prayer was spoken in front of him, I posted the prayer and as they pray for full communism I said he must have been comfy with the group, he did praise the evening spent with the group.

But in an interview with the BBC’s Andrew Neil last week, Mr Corbyn said: “I never met the IRA. I obviously did meet people from Sinn Fein, as indeed I met people from other organisations, and I always made the point that there had to be a dialogue and a peace process.”

Anniebach you stated the prayer was quoted. I asked you to demonstrate that was a published fact.

I did not ask if the prayer was recited in front of him on that evening or any other occasion. So, again could you anniebach demonstrate to this forum that Jeremy Corbyn had knowledge of the prayer and he sat comfy with that FACT on the evening of the social gathering and in the following praise of the group.

I have answered

So do list who from the UDA and the UVF did he attend memorial services for, and who were the other MP's ?

Yes he said that to Andrew Neil, he called Hamas his friends then back tracked when questioned by a select committee and said - with hindsight I was wrong

Anniebach, you have not proven that the above are facts in either that the prayer is a reliable published fact, or that Jeremy Corbyn had knowledge of the prayer and sat comfy with that knowledge on the night of the social gathering.

Anniebach, again, you state that you have only posted facts on Jeremy Corbyn in this thread. So, please demonstrate to this forum where you gathered those FACTS, so that forum members can authenticate that information.