Corbyn's Elasticity

Annie Dyffryn, I want what you listed, so one doesn't have to be far left

I don't think you have to be left wing now to want working classes and the less fortunate in society to get a fair deal.

Labour doesn't really have a cause now. Society has evolved, working practices have evolved and we use different ways to get our information. We still have poverty. Labour has NOT been able to eradicate it and its causes are many and varied. We are aware of our rights and responsibilities and have channels galore open to us to research what our politicians are up to. All of us - with left or right leaning inclinations want a fairer society and for our Government to support all the causes we care about, like the NHS and the poor and disadvantaged. We have had our eyes opened to unfair practice too and we can make our voices heard.

The Conservative Party manifesto covers all the concerns I have. Corbyn won't be able to reform the NHS or prevent people sleeping on the streets unless he has a magic wand and a bottomless pit of funds which he can draw on. Those are concerns of Conservative voters too. Compassion is not the preserve of one political party. As a working class girl I wanted to see fair deals for all. I grew up living in a poor household. I don't see fairness any longer under Labour. I see instability and chaos as well as a decimated economy. They are no better at governing than any other party.

The Labour Party of today, despite their noble record in the past, now has a monopoly on anarchy and destabilising the economy, not compassion.

2014
Maureen Lipman drops long-standing support for Labour party
The prominent actor said she could not vote for ‘Chuka Harman Burnham Hunt Balls brigade
www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/29/maureen-lipman-support-labour

She did not make the same allegations of Miliband and Corbyn , she didn't say Miliband was sn anti Semite

how can Corbyn make a good PM when he didn't know the beliefs of Jewdas Seder, so he claims , if he didn't know then very unwise for a leader of the oposition , if he did know - then a liar

No she was saying he was anti-Zionist. As Miliband is a Jew she is hardly going to say he is an anti-Semite.
Actor Maureen Lipman has abandoned a lifetime’s support of Labour and announced she would vote for “almost any other” party at the general election, partly in protest at Ed Miliband’s support for recognising the Palestinian state
2014.
From the same link as above. But you don’t read links Annie do you?

Where does she say Miliband was anti Zionist, I missed that. Yes I read some links, I avoid blogs from the likes of vox pox and Mid Wales mike

"Momentum are a group of people who want a kinder society. Too many of us are all about self. As long as we are ok we turn a blind eye to what is happening around us."

Blimey. What a slur, Dyffryn.

I think that's what you LIKE to think, but it's wholly untrue. You may support Momentum. I don't and I don't see that part of the Labour party through your rose tinted spectacles either. Many people are extremely worried about the open infiltration of Communist and Trotskyist sympathisers into the Labour Party via hard left Momentum.

I know of no one - no matter their political leanings, who doesn't have day to day concerns about what is happening in the UK. They are not Momentum supporters. Most people see Momentum as loud mouthed, aggressive bullies who are reshaping the Labour Party in their far left, militant image.

We had a Labour government for YEARS....from 1997 to 2010 and no one will claim those years were triumphal. Did we see sweeping reforms and a better deal for all? NO.

They were a disaster and the economy was in tatters when they were voted out. Did they solve the ever present concerns? No.

They opened the doors to wholesale immigration - numbers placing a never before seen burden on hospitals, schools, housing etc, etc, etc which we are still seeing as problematic. It is well documented that Labour Home Secretary Blunkett said we could house the world and his wife in the UK.

"David Blunkett has said there is "no obvious limit" to the number of immigrants who could settle in Britain.." The Guardian quotingLabour's Home Secretary in 2003.

"He accepted however that in some parts of the country, local people felt swamped or overwhelmed by new arrivals. But he declined to say how many people he thought Britain could comfortably hold, insisting that it had always been "a crowded, vigorous island".

Asked if there was a maximum population Britain could house, he replied: "I don't think there is."

What an irresponsible buffoon! We have been reaping that whirlwind ever since. The pressure on services like the NHS, housing, schools and infrastructure is still with us. Sensible immigration policies which benefit us all are not Labour's forte, obviously.

The Labour Party is in crisis and Corbyn is not fit to lead the country.

Day6 in your posting today (Mon 09-Apr-18 @ 16:15) you state "Labour's far left stance is driving people into the middle and as the Conservative party now covers so much of the central ground, looking to ways to the poorest paid, the need for housing and assurances regarding the NHS, it's going to become the natural home for so many who want to see common sense and decency prevail"

So, that natural home of so many as you see it Day6, is a party of what is widely believed to have a membership of no more than seventy thousand with an average age of seventy one. At the present time that party could not fill Manchester United's Ground (Old Trafford) to capacity. However, even within that small number there are some pretty despicable characters and groups. Jacob Rees-Mogg and his racist friends along with the very influential Tory Bow Group at Westminster and their friends have already been talked on in this thread.

However, the new Conservative party vice-chair for youth has made some very toxic remarks about the unemployed. In reading the following, anyone can see why party’s drive to attract young voters has been faltering for years and exactly why the average age of its members is now seventy one.

Below is an extract from a Guardian article published in January this year:-

Ben Bradley was appointed as the Tory vice-chair following Mays reshuffle, he told me that one of the biggest challenges he faced was making sure the public didn’t think the Tories hated poor people. So, it’s rather unfortunate that article last week the MP for Mansfield provided much further fuel for that assertion.

In a blog post he wrote five years ago, he advised thatbenefit claimants should have vasectomiesrather than take money off the state in the form of multiple child benefits. In defending Iain Duncan Smith’s benefit cap, he hit out at what he called a “vast sea of unemployed wasters”.

Since the above even more dubious comments have emerged of Bradley claiming public sector workers are “lost in their own fantasy land” and should quit if they are unhappy about their pay

The above is a terrible start to the Tories’ new drive to detoxify and endear themselves to younger voters, or any voters below the age of 44, for that matter.

Support for the Conservatives is just27% among the above group, which are the lowest approval levels on record.

As for values, an Opinion poll found that among this group overall,only 15%now say that the Tory party represents “people like me”. Comments such as those from senior figures like Bradley mean that thinking is unlikely to change anytime soon. But the biggest issue is that for too many voters, the latest incident won’t be all that surprising.

I find the above totally disgusting. It's little wonder that the Labour party has a membership of over half a million and the Conservatives continue to sink in their own mire.

Follow this link to read the full article :-
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/18/tories-detoxify-image-ben-bradley-young-people?CMP=share_btn_link

* Sorry - the above should of course read "The World and her husband." (Or partner, or lover or person of undetermined sex....etc, etc, etc.)

"I find the above totally disgusting."

I do too, but I also find it sad that you have to go to a blog post from five years ago to dig up some dirt.

Many politicians are abhorrent - the colour of the rosette and tie seem to make little difference. I give you Labour's Ken Livingstone.

I give you the Labour Leader, Jeremy Corbyn and his series of blunders, series of anti-Semitic stands, series of insensitive incidents supporting regimes which are enemies of the UK and western world. Much more pertinent to this particular discussion, eh?

Oh another...Lady Nugee, Emily Thornberry, and her tweeting distaste for white van man and his patriotism.

Such hypocrisy. Don't tell me Labour REALLY supports working classes.

Well, Day6 the "coven" in this thread continuously point back to Jeremy Corbyns past statements and deeds. So what is so wrong with pointing out the statements and deeds past and present of top Conservatives such as Ben Bradley.

The Tory party is far from clean in many areas despite its now tiny size

Day6
YEARS....from 1997 to 2010 and no one will claim those years were triumphal. Did we see sweeping reforms and a better deal for all? NO.
Actually we did see huge improvements. School buildings that had rotted and leaked under the Tories were replaced. Sure start centres were set up to try and acheive the same results as Head Start in the US, waiting lists in the NHS were cut, thousands of people were lifted out of poverty.
As for that old chestnut about the economy. The banks failed

Annie my quotes were from the Guardian not obscure blogs. Lipman objected to “Miliband’s support for the Palestine State”.
Actress Maureen Lipman meanwhile reiterated her opposition to Mr Miliband, accusing him of “pandering to antisemitism masking as anti-Zionism”.
from the Jewish Chronicle. 27.10.14

I have been working with people all day and will be all week tutoring and mentoring those who are are trying to better themselves and make their workplaces safer for all through their trade union(s)

Can anyone point me in the direction of where the Conservative party carries out anything similar. No, only through the Labour movement can that support for working people be found and free of cost.

Conservatives, friends of working people, what a joke Day6

Because this is a thread about Corbyn, is there no longer a thread about the government? Is there is why not posts view on the tories there ? Because posting of tories here is a diversion

Are these courses funded by the Trades Unions Grandad?

Grandad - Well, Day6 the "coven" in this thread continuously point back to Jeremy Corbyns past statements and deeds.

Is there not a coven of left wing supporters too? They come out to support each other frequently and to slag off the Government.

That disparaging name for posters you disagree with also fits those you support, n'est-ce pas?

I thought that there were several government-run courses in my area, at least - how are they funded?

Yes as long as you are a member all educational courses are free right up to the highest levels

That should be " member of a trade union" above.

End of a long day LOL

"make their workplaces safer for all through their trade union(s)"

What a strange post Grandad1943 and weird way to have a go at the government.

So basically you are either doing "health and safety in the workplace" courses - which I believe aren't politically biased, or you are training up people who now have responsibility within their trade union?

In my workplaces, health and safety issues were of concern to all, and made clear to all, not just workers who preferred the Labour party.

So is it the Trade Union movement that funds these course or is it individual employers funding it for their workers?

Sorry, but I am a bit confused.

My brother and I are very 'up ' on health and safety, no one on the workforce are Union members and some vote Tory, some Labour, Some Plaid Cymru

Day6 The Unite trade union organized the Workplace Health & Safety Courses for their elected workplace representatives and those that would wish to see better safety in their place of employment.

I tutor on those courses on contract for my company which specialises in industrial safety.