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Meghan Markel ..Markle ?

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paddyann Tue 03-Apr-18 14:17:43

in the Scottish news today is a report that the future mrs Harry is a direct descendant of ..wait for it ..ROBERT THE BRUCE...now am I being my usual cynical self by thinking this is a way to ingratiate her with the scottish public...who are notoriously not interested -couldn't care less about the royals.Or does everyone who comes into contact with royals REALLY have amazing pedigrees..or do they think we button up the back ? Gave me a good laugh anyway .

Alidoll Thu 05-Apr-18 10:24:51

Scottish and couldn’t care less.

Mapleleaf Thu 05-Apr-18 10:38:30

I guess we are all related to each other if we go far enough back. ??

Apricity Thu 05-Apr-18 10:40:19

I recall a program quiz that once asked which of several very prominent people was descended from Charlemagne. The answer was all of them because just about everyone in Europe is descended from Charlemagne.

When you look at the generation multiplier it is just silly claiming specific ancestors unless the lineage is extremely well documented in EVERY generation which is very, very rare unless a family has been prominent for many centuries. Without that documentation it is impossible to make a claim with any degree of certainty. Anything else is just spin.

If you go back 10 generations we all have 1024 ancestors and at 20 generations we all have about a million ancestors. Estimates suggest the population of the British Isles in the year 1200 was about 3 million so there is a lot of interconnectedness there. We are all brothers, sisters and cousins somewhere along the line. I think that is something to be celebrated.

mischief Thu 05-Apr-18 10:50:53

I suppose it is to give her a 'qualification' (as if one was needed) to belong to the royal family and also counters her critics regarding her ethnicity. Neither of these things bother me. I think she's a lovely girl.

Jalima1108 Thu 05-Apr-18 10:57:33

The answer was all of them because just about everyone in Europe is descended from Charlemagne.
Oh dear, my family is not so unique then
grin

moobox Thu 05-Apr-18 11:02:45

I am sure she is. My husband comes form a long line of working class bods, but is also a descendant of the Lord chancellor of Scotland in the 16th century. We all have such heritage if we look far enough back.

MawBroon Thu 05-Apr-18 11:04:46

Old Charlemagne must have got about a bit it seems blush

Apricity Thu 05-Apr-18 11:11:07

Hello Jallima1108, welcome to the family. ?

wildswan16 Thu 05-Apr-18 11:15:07

Well I am Scottish, and wish the young couple all the happiness they can get. I think it is sad that media articles seem to affect how people see Meghan. She has no control over what piffle they write about her and is probably having a good giggle about it.

grandtanteJE65 Thu 05-Apr-18 11:16:04

Yes, Robert the Bruce had children: King David II of Scotland, Majorie, who died after a miscarriage brought on by a fall from her horse and Matilda. We used to pass the cairn marking the spot where Marjorie came to grief when going to Renfrew airport in the days before what is now called Glasgow airport was built at Abbotsinch. She is buried in Paisley Abbey like James II if I remember right.
Robert Steward was her son, and he had quite a lot of descendents, amongst them the Steward kings of Scotland and England, and via the houses of Orange and Hanover the present Queen. I think Matilda probably had children too, David Bruce died childless.

NannyMargaret48 Thu 05-Apr-18 11:29:12

PaddyAnn the English public couldn't care less what is in the Scottish news

Jalima1108 Thu 05-Apr-18 11:36:55

It was in The Australian too (but you have to pay to access it).

gmelon Thu 05-Apr-18 11:43:07

Maybe it is just wishful thinking complete lies.
My father in law created a new heritage for himself. He hurt a lot of his family by doing denying his roots.

My husbands family trace back as Londeners as far back as is possible. (Cousin did the research ).
There's hardly a foot been put outside Westminster by any of them.

However in his mid fifties my late father in law suddenly "became" Scottish. Took to wearing a kilt . It was hilarious.
Various older members of his family treated him like a rather silly school boy who was a fantasist. We were all quite bemused.
He couldn't be persuaded out of it.

The cringe worthy moment came at his sixtieth birthday party when a haggis was rolled in on a trolley and he recited the address in the worst Scottish accent you would ever hear. His own dear mother was deeply embarrassed whilst us younger folks were disgusted at his childish behaviour.

Father in law had decided that his great grandfather was a Wallace who had walked down to London from Scotland. No evidence of this. The grandfather in question owned a horse yard in London and had never set foot outside his borough.

My father in law was set to gain in certain social circles by this pretence.
He cared not one jot for his family.

Jalima1108 Thu 05-Apr-18 11:49:18

I don't think Meghan herself has proclaimed this - it seems to be Andrew Morton who has traced her lineage back.

gmelon Thu 05-Apr-18 12:04:04

Andrew Morton - I can feel another book coming on here.

DotMH1901 Thu 05-Apr-18 12:04:49

I have been tracing my family history for decades, starting with helping my Mum when she decided to do it (I was eight at the time and she took me along for company as I kept quiet and didn't fidget). The furthest traceable connection I have is the late 1600's - I have seen/spoken to many people whose trees boast connections back to before records were even kept! Many of these trees are constructed on the basis that the ancestor was called Henry/John/Adam/George/James and lived in the general area so must be a descendant of Lord/Sir//King/etc etc etc. Personally if I cannot find at least two pieces of evidence that 'prove' a connection it doesn't get added to my tree. PS - if any of you are related to the Menzies family of Durisdeer/Rigghouse/Enterkinfoot in Dumfriesshire and have a Menzies ancestor who married a Shankland I would love to hear from you!

silverlining48 Thu 05-Apr-18 12:22:23

If a journalist decides to dig up Meghan markles lineage that’s hardly her fault, it’s a pity there is a constant need for new ‘news’ As hAs been said if we were all to look back far enough there will be some connection with someone now forgotten but mildly important at the time.

Blinko Thu 05-Apr-18 13:24:01

Wonder if Andrew Morton is connected to Morton's Fork...lol!

pauline42 Thu 05-Apr-18 13:35:32

Yes - guess you are being "your usual cynical self" - your quote not mine! Let it go.......

Sulis Thu 05-Apr-18 15:19:10

Hmmmm, well an aged relative of my adotive parents found an ancestor - a priest, I think, who emigrated to the USA on the Mayflower. Then they found a horsethief who was hung for his crimes - and chose to stop searching!! On the 'natural' family side, a cousin claims William The Conq as an ancestor - and through my American connection I got back to 1591, Germany, and a farmer called Nikel Drumm! All very interesting, but frankly who cares, what does it all mean, actually? What is more important is what kind of people are we today?

sarahellenwhitney Thu 05-Apr-18 15:48:44

Another string to her bow ?She wishes

Wheniwasyourage Thu 05-Apr-18 16:03:27

NannyMargaret48, that is exactly the sort of nasty remark which has been criticised on another thread (although I am not allowed to say that, am I?) Fortunately you do not speak for all of our English friends and relations.

Jalima1108 Thu 05-Apr-18 16:11:57

No doubt someone will soon be digging out highwaymen, horse thieves, vagabonds, murderers, sheep rustlers etc in her family tree before too long as well!

Jalima1108 Thu 05-Apr-18 16:13:08

I've never heard of Morton's Fork - just looked it up and it's Hobson's Choice grin

Grandmama Thu 05-Apr-18 19:08:02

Aren't most of us descended from Edward III?