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Meghan Markel ..Markle ?

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paddyann Tue 03-Apr-18 14:17:43

in the Scottish news today is a report that the future mrs Harry is a direct descendant of ..wait for it ..ROBERT THE BRUCE...now am I being my usual cynical self by thinking this is a way to ingratiate her with the scottish public...who are notoriously not interested -couldn't care less about the royals.Or does everyone who comes into contact with royals REALLY have amazing pedigrees..or do they think we button up the back ? Gave me a good laugh anyway .

nigglynellie Wed 04-Apr-18 18:24:55

I think we ALL know who the Duke of Edinburgh is! 71 years along the line it would be odd if we didn't!!

Wheniwasyourage Wed 04-Apr-18 18:00:03

Whatever, not what ever. Use the Preview message option, clot!!

Wheniwasyourage Wed 04-Apr-18 17:59:16

But that's my point, nigglynellie, Duke of Rothesay may be one of his titles, but to say that he is called that in Scotland is just not true, and in my view is pretty patronising. We know fine who he is, what ever we think of him. The Duke of Edinburgh uses a title from a place in Scotland and people in the rest of the UK are supposed to understand who he is!

nigglynellie Wed 04-Apr-18 17:26:37

I don't think THEY'RE lining up for the next hundred years. They'll stay as long as people want them and at the moment, judging by the crowds, that could well be well into the future. Whether folk like it or not, a lot of people love the Royal Family, it's as simple as that!

paddyann Wed 04-Apr-18 17:17:17

redundant titles for people who should be redundant Niggly Monarchy is out of its time and out of touch with the people ,it should end when the present incumbent dies .Instead they're lining up for the next hundred years !!

nigglynellie Wed 04-Apr-18 15:36:45

Duke of Rothsay is one of the titles of the heir of the monarch, along with Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall, going way back when. (1707 I think) Originally it was the title of the heir to the king of Scotland. Thats why he is called by that title North of the Border.

MaizieD Wed 04-Apr-18 15:06:53

I would think that if you were descended from the sibling of a person who left no children you couldn't possibly be the childless one's 'descendent'. It makes the meaning of the word a complete nonsense. You would obviously be the descendent of their parents, though.

Wheniwasyourage Wed 04-Apr-18 14:22:45

I think it's very irritating when I see Prince Charles called the Duke of Rothesay when he's been doing something in Scotland, particularly when it is followed by "as he is called in Scotland". No he isn't!! I have never heard anyone here (apart from reporters) call him the Duke of Rothesay, and he is known here as either Prince Charles or the Prince of Wales, just the same as he is anywhere else.

As paddyann suggests, it's a bit tough on poor old Rothesay!

nigglynellie Wed 04-Apr-18 14:16:39

I suppose you're a descendant but not a direct one?! Richard 111 had no direct descendants but DNA was taken from indirect ones to prove who he was?!! I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong!!

Jalima1108 Wed 04-Apr-18 14:11:04

Apparently I'm descended from Catherine Howard, - even though she didn''t have any children.
And I'm descended from Anne Boleyn, along with a lot of Americans - even though her only daughter did not have any children grin

Don't you have to be in a direct line to be a 'descendant' - although you could have a royal 'ancestor' eg GGGGGGGGUncle?

I'm not sure, where's the expert?

paddyann Wed 04-Apr-18 13:46:12

of course they give a lot of the royals "scottish" titles which they might use when they come here .Charlie boy is Duke of Rothesay ......not that its ever done any good for that lovely wee place.

nigglynellie Wed 04-Apr-18 13:43:02

She did have siblings though so being a descendant is certainly possible!

henetha Wed 04-Apr-18 13:27:43

Apparently I'm descended from Catherine Howard, - even though she didn''t have any children.

paddyann Wed 04-Apr-18 13:23:30

She fits the criteria ..didn't Wallis say you can never be too rich or too thin ..Mrs Harry to be is certainly very thin and by all accounts has a few pounds in the bank...lol.

Jane10 Wed 04-Apr-18 13:07:26

Great idea paddyann- the new duchess of windsor!

nigglynellie Wed 04-Apr-18 12:56:58

I had Irish paternal great grandparents who came from County Cork. Their daughter came to England married, and stayed!! Not sure they were royal though and certainly not Welsh, but maybe Celts, which might sort of count?!!!!!wink

Jalima1108 Wed 04-Apr-18 11:53:07

that's Great-Great-Grandad not Great-Great-Granddaughter!

Jalima1108 Wed 04-Apr-18 11:52:09

So your all Welsh Jalima ?
Anniebach, there must be some Welsh blood from somewhere, my GGGD had a Welsh surname (border country though).

Jalima1108 Wed 04-Apr-18 11:48:37

paddyann grin
I don't think that title will be used again!!

Sussex, Sussex by the sea
It does go with the theme - we already have Wessex, is there an Essex?

paddyann Tue 03-Apr-18 23:59:38

we can but hope lilypollen anything except Dumbarton .In the words of my late mother dont want it, dont like it ,keep it yourself ..(.Sussex )

lilypollen Tue 03-Apr-18 23:51:12

Isn't Duke of Sussex favourite?

paddyann Tue 03-Apr-18 22:59:23

it was a strange announcement coming just weeks after the idea was mooted in local papers that they would be given the title of Duke and Duchess ...or somesuch nonsense of Dumbarton....Dumbarton being one of The Bruce's old stomping grounds with his "cave" and where his mansion house was built near Renton.Seems they want to make us think Ms Markle has claim to the title...lol .I think they should get Windsor ,it has a ring to it and an American divorcee who held that title before so seems more appropriate somehow .

Blinko Tue 03-Apr-18 22:18:42

On holiday in the Bahamas some years ago some very sweet lads looking after dolphins asked me if I knew the Queen....

Agus Tue 03-Apr-18 20:42:43

BlueBelle, I’m sure had I been Irish and not Scottish it would have been the same claim grin.

I was asked once if I knew Hamish Mackenzie by any chance as he lived in Scotland! To be polite I replied that I knew a few called Hamish but none with that surname.

Anniebach Tue 03-Apr-18 20:33:01

So your all Welsh Jalima ?