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Comrade Corbychev's Cock-Ups

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Primrose65 Mon 09-Apr-18 21:00:15

A continuation of Momentum/Intertia/Magnetism/Elasticity but with a less scientific bias. grin

A thread about Corbyn. For lovers and haters.

mostlyharmless Wed 18-Apr-18 14:16:41

Are you sure there are no anti-semites in the Conservative party nigglienellie?
Before you label this a uniquely Labour problem, if all the racists and anti-semites were thrown out of the Tory party there would be no Tory party left!

Anniebach Wed 18-Apr-18 14:26:47

Really mostly harmless ? You have much knowledge of that party to claim every member is racist , anti Semitic

Oldwoman70 Wed 18-Apr-18 14:29:18

There probably are anti-semites in the Conservative party, however, they are not able to be as open about it as those in the Labour party, as far as I am aware Theresa May has not associated herself with anti-semite groups, has not refused to robustly deal with concerns about anti-semitism, did not leave a debate where Jewish women were detailing the abuse they had received or failed to speak in that debate.

nigglynellie Wed 18-Apr-18 14:52:52

I'm sure there probably are m.h. as there probably are in all party's and in all walks of life, but I would be appalled if Mrs May or any other party leader were to treat anything even approaching the abuse these MP's and other party members are having to endure under the leadership of the labour party with such a cavalier attitude. My MP would be in no doubt that if the party valued my vote then nothing less than immediate draconian methods to stamp out anything of this nature would need to be implemented whoever the 'persecuted' people may be, and it made crystal clear that people who behave in this horrible way are not welcome, not now, not ever!

nigglynellie Wed 18-Apr-18 14:55:29

As for your second paragraph, it's such blatant rubbish that its not worth a comment!

Anniebach Wed 18-Apr-18 16:13:22

In the house yesterday after listening to the Jewish MP's who had suffered so much Diane Abbott informed the house she had received more on line abuse than all the female MP's in the house , wish someone had told her - it's not about you

Tom Watson ,deputy leader , who sits next to Corbyn on the front bench, choose yesterday to sit with the two female Jewish MP's, Corbyn chose to leave the chamber, he is a disgrace

mostlyharmless Wed 18-Apr-18 16:24:15

Numerous examples of Tory racism and anti-semitism have been detailed on these threads.
Zak Goldsmith's mayoral campaign for example. Anti-semitism against Milliband etc etc.
Racism and anti-semitism are sadly a fact across society.

lemongrove Wed 18-Apr-18 16:42:57

But have never been such a feature of a political party and it’s members before, it’s all since Corbyn became Leader.

Anniebach Wed 18-Apr-18 16:47:53

All this bile the party are wrestling with started with Corbyn and his - my way or no way and sod kinder politics

mostlyharmless Wed 18-Apr-18 16:48:48

Really lemongr9ve. No racists or anti-smites in the Tory party, UKIP or the BNP?
Incredible!

lemongrove Wed 18-Apr-18 16:53:09

The two main parties will all contain some mostly but there has been very little in the past compared to today within the LP membership.

Anniebach Wed 18-Apr-18 16:54:39

mostlyharmless, you claimed all in the Tory party are racist

nigglynellie Wed 18-Apr-18 17:03:57

Ukip, BNP? I have no first hand knowledge of these partys. I do know that anti semitism is not sanctioned by the front bench of the Tory party, as it clearly is, at present, by the Labour party.

Iam64 Wed 18-Apr-18 18:47:25

What message does the Leader of the Opposition, facing accusations of allowing anti semitism in his party, send when he leaves the chamber during a debate on anti semitism?

I'm genuinely puzzled at the apparent inability of those who accuse all Jewish people of being Nazi Zionists can't at least acknowledge the two Jewish women who happen to also be Labour MP's who spoke yesterday, have indeed been subjected to vile anti semitic abuse.

mostlyharmless Wed 18-Apr-18 19:56:36

“^YouGov polls show anti-Semitism in Labour has actually REDUCED DRAMATICALLY since Jeremy Corbyn became leader.^”

“^The answers given for YouGov’s first statement show that not only are anti-Semitic views amongst Conservative voters significantly higher than Labour voters in general, the rate of decline for anti-Semitic views amongst Labour voters is more than double the rate of Conservative voters – falling 8% in two years for Labour voters compared to a 3% decline in anti-Semitic views among Tory voters.^”

evolvepolitics.com/yougov-polls-show-anti-semitism-in-labour-has-actually-reduced-dramatically-since-jeremy-corbyn-became-leader/

There is no excuse for not condemning racism and anti-semitism in any political party.

lemongrove Wed 18-Apr-18 19:59:57

That’s the trouble with polls, they often get it wrong ( or people lie.)

Jalima1108 Wed 18-Apr-18 20:01:26

Zak Goldsmith's mayoral campaign for example
I'm confused, mostlyharmless, sorry.

Do you mean the online anti-semitism against Zac Goldsmith because he is Jewish by members of the Tory party - his own party?
I wasn't aware that his own party was guilty of that. How odd.

Anniebach Wed 18-Apr-18 20:16:39

I don't care what that poll claims, Corbyn walking out of the commons yesterday was an insult to his MP's, the Party and supporters of the party, expect he received a hero's welcome from his likeminded supporters , how low can this man take the party

Jalima1108 Wed 18-Apr-18 20:20:30

YouGov polls show anti-Semitism in Labour has actually REDUCED DRAMATICALLY since Jeremy Corbyn became leader.^”
^]Which makes you wonder just how bad it was before then?
shock

mostlyharmless Wed 18-Apr-18 20:29:45

Jalima I was referring to Zac Goldsmith’s blatantly racist mayoral campaign against Sadiq Khan.

www.aol.co.uk/news/2017/09/16/lib-dems-attack-zac-goldsmiths-racist-mayoral-election-tactic/

Jalima1108 Wed 18-Apr-18 20:34:48

Ah, I see, I thought it was anti-semitism you were referring to, which was also part of that nasty campaign.

mostlyharmless Wed 18-Apr-18 20:35:13

You haven’t read the link properly Jalima.
Furthermore, the stark difference in results between parties from the first statement holds firm throughout the comparison.

In 2015, 16% of Labour voters agreed with the statement that ‘Jews hold too much power in the media’, compared to 11% in 2017.

This compares with 17% of Conservative voters agreeing with the statement in 2015, with a 2% reduction to 15% in 2017.

In 2015, 11% of Labour voters agreed with the statement that ‘Jews talk about the Holocaust too much in order to get sympathy’, declining to 8% in 2017.

This decline from Labour voters is in stark contrast to Tory voters who actually saw a rise in their supporters agreeing in this statement – with 12% agreeing with it in 2015 compared to 13% in 2017.

Anniebach Wed 18-Apr-18 20:35:16

It was so awful before Corbyn ? The party leader before Corbyn was the first Jewish leader of the Labour Party

mostlyharmless Wed 18-Apr-18 21:36:03

But still not as bad as the Tory anti-semitism according to this study Annie.
Tory anti-semitic views have increased while Labour’s have gone down.
8% of Labour voters agree “Jews talk about the Holocaust too much” compared with 13% of Tory voters (1917).

dbDB77 Wed 18-Apr-18 21:39:07

No doubt there is some anti-semitism in all political parties - it's how the leaders deal with it that matters.
The Jewish MPs yesterday were quoting foul abuse they'd received from people from JC4PM so why didn't Jeremy Corbyn stand up and say he was appalled & ashamed that anyone who supported him would have such vile opinions - he should have said "Not in my name" - but he doesn't - it's just the usual "any form of racism is wrong...." He's a disgrace - by refusing to condemn such dreadful views he is condoning them.