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Regret it Brexit?

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Bridgeit Tue 01-May-18 22:27:25

Now that time has moved on, but with a long way to go, does anyone regret the way they voted ? And would you still vote the same way if asked to vote again.

Apologies if this has already been discussed, I couldn’t see that it had.

Allygran1 Wed 16-May-18 16:50:31

Varian not much on your interesting question.
The PMP three year research project sounds interesting. It might not give the answer to the question you asked though.

I will certainly look forward to the research results being published.

www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/2017/hss/survey-of-britains-party-members-reveals-glaring-contrasts-between-tories-and-other-parties.html

Gerispringer Wed 16-May-18 16:45:14

Yougov publish their data on Twitter before the collation of all the results on the YouGov website. Lots of the journalists pick up the data from there. If you follow them on a twitter they have some interesting surveys. Lots on the RWedding at the moment!

Gerispringer Wed 16-May-18 16:42:12

Latest Yougov poll was on 14 May.
Suggests that 2,000 more people per day decide that remaining is the better option, this includes people who weee too young to vote first time round adding to the figure, people who voted to leave changing their mind or dying.

Allygran1 Wed 16-May-18 16:40:44

Gerispringer can you give us the links or the titles of the images you have posted?

Gerispringer Wed 16-May-18 16:38:06

Apologies for the data but I was asked!

Gerispringer Wed 16-May-18 16:32:39

Labour voters split.

Gerispringer Wed 16-May-18 16:29:49

twitter.com/yougov/status/996062849108725760?s=21

You gov latest research on twitter

Allygran1 Wed 16-May-18 16:28:31

Thanks for the links Varian.

Allygran1 Wed 16-May-18 16:28:07

Varian - You ask:"It is true that members of political parties are only a small minority of the general population?"

I have no idea what the percentages would be. Thats a very good question.

Although based on people I know who vote in General Elections and Local Elections - neighbours, friends, family, none of them are members of a Political party I am fairly certain of that. However, they are of mixed views some vote labour and always will and some vote Conservative and I imagine always will but the majority of my neighbours and associates where I live vote Lib Dem.

At the referendum, as you can imagine, and I am sure across the country the traditional way people had voted went out the window, it came down to non partisan voting.

There might be some figures to answer your question I"ll see if I can find some. That really is a very interesting question.

My guess is that the majority of voters are people with traditional history of voting for a particular party but not being a member of that party and paying fees.

varian Wed 16-May-18 16:21:17

Two links to the Queens Mary University site

www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/2017/hss/survey-of-britains-party-members-reveals-glaring-contrasts-between-tories-and-other-parties.html

www.dropbox.com/sh/swwd48dnnyeo4a4/AAAohoMi26hN6MaxXTNNMMLNa?dl=0

Allygran1 Wed 16-May-18 16:12:55

In "How the United Kingdom voted on Thursday ... and why," a survey of 12,369 voters in the United Kingdom conducted the day of the referendum, Lord Ashcroft found the No. 1 issue propelling people to vote "leave" was their belief that the U.K. should remain a self-governing entity not responsible to some supranational body writing rules and regulations about the economy and other matters.

The Ashcroft report said that "This was true for all voters, those who described themselves as Labour voters as well as those who said they were Conservative. It's a direct shot at "big government" interference in local affairs coming out of the bureaucracy in Brussels. Immigration – or immigration sans assimilation, the second most important motivator behind a vote to "leave" the EU."
Those who sided with "remain," interestingly enough, did so out of fear. Lord Ashcroft's poll found the argument most persuasive to Conservative and Labour voters alike was the idea things would get much worse, in some nonspecific way, should the U.K. leave the EU.
lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

Yesterday on the subject of things getting worse on which "project fear" was based, the Office of National Statistics had Great News.
Yesterday 15th May 2018 the latest official figures from the Office of National Statistics showed that employment is at a record high, with more than 2,000 finding work daily. The current workforce stands at 32.34 million – the highest since records started in 1971. The total having risen by 609,000 since the referendum of June 2016.

The ONS also said the number of EU citizens working in Britain has also gone up since the referendum almost 2.37million were employed in March 155,000 more than at the beginning of 2016.

Workers from outside the EU have risen by 235.000 over the past two years.

John Longworth former head of the British Chamber of Commerce said: “Project fear has been trounced by the outstanding job figures”.

Whilst the Eurozone unemployment figures remain high at 8.5% compared to the UK since Brexit where the figures are at a 43 year low of 4.3%.

Unemployment rates in the Eurozone by country are:
France 8.8,% Italy 11% , Spain 16.1%. Whilst the average across the advanced world is a mere 5.4%

Chief Economist of Earnst & Young believes the labour market figures indicate that the “economy is not as weak” as some have suggested.

The ONS figures show wages are rising faster than for nearly three years. Average pay rose by 3% the biggest rise since 2015 ahead of inflation by 2.5 per cent.

varian Wed 16-May-18 16:02:15

It is true that members of political parties are only a small minority of the general population, but these are people who are interested in politics, often quite knowledgeable and, in most parties, influence the party's policies.

By far the largest party in terms of membership is the Labour Party, which still has an arcane method of determining policy involving unions and other groups.

The second largest national party is the Liberal Democrats, whose members determine the party policies, via votes at conferences where delegates from each constituency party will reflect the views of local members.

Allygran1 Wed 16-May-18 16:00:40

Varian do you have a link for the Mile End Institute Queen Mary University of London's academic study? Or a title would do.

Allygran1 Wed 16-May-18 15:47:58

Thanks Mostlyharmless. Gerispringer could you post the link for your YouGove survey for May 2018. I can't find it.
Thanks

Joelsnan Wed 16-May-18 14:33:37

I live in a very strong labour area. I think very few if any have changed their voting preference which was leave.

Fennel Wed 16-May-18 14:17:05

Varian : "It is also quite striking that Labour Party members are very anti-brexit, "
That does seem to be the case from your link.
But what surprised me most in the original referendum was the strong support for Brexit in the NE, traditionally Labour, from older voters.
Are they changing their views?

mostlyharmless Wed 16-May-18 13:49:02

allyg you are posting out of date results (from March.) gerrispringer’s link is from this week’s results. (May)

varian Wed 16-May-18 13:38:27

Sorry, I should have said that this study was published in January of this year (not today) but I would find it hard to believe that a significant number of party members have changed their views since then.

varian Wed 16-May-18 13:36:18

An academic study produced by the Mile End Institute, Queen Mary University of London, has appeared today that reveals the character of the main political parties in relation to brexit.

It is very striking that members of the Conservative Party are totally out of line with the other main parties. It is also quite striking that Labour Party members are very anti-brexit, especially "hard brexit", something the party leadership seems to ignore.

Joelsnan Wed 16-May-18 13:28:44

It's a case of do it again until I get the answer I want.
A bit like me playing solitaire, I might lose game after game but will only stop playing once I have won.
What sort of society will we become if those who shout 'not fair' the loudest get to continually rerun 'democratic' referenda until the outcome suits them.
Before anyone says it was based upon lies, the majority of folk had made their decision well before the ridiculous campaigning from both sides began.

Allygran1 Wed 16-May-18 12:49:03

Yougove.co.uk March 26 2018

The yougov question:
Does Britain still want to go ahead with Brexit?
Results:
While slightly more people now think Brexit was the wrong decision that’s not the same as people thinking it should be stopped. When asked what the government should do next, a majority of people still think they should continue with Brexit in some form.
Over four in ten
(43%) think they should continue on their current terms,
9% think they should proceed with a “softer” Brexit instead, 20% would like a fresh referendum
13% would like the government to just stop Brexit completely.
YouGove.com.

Welshwife Wed 16-May-18 10:43:34

I saw film of a SE MP being recently interviewed outside the HoP and he was asked what was going to benefit U.K. after Brexit and he said nothing. He said it looks that the SE will see a decline of 7% in jobs etc which will gradually have a big impact on the rest of the country too. He also said Brexit can still be stopped.

MaizieD Wed 16-May-18 09:39:46

...and the 14% all post on Gransnet, grin

It's good to see that we 'Remoaners' are not actually swimming against the tide but are going with the flow...

Gerispringer Wed 16-May-18 06:50:15

On another note - these YouGov survey results popped up for me today:

Which of the following comes closest to your view on how well Brexit is going?

I expected Brexit to go well and I think it is going well so far 9%

I expected Brexit to go well but I don’t think it is going well so far 28%

I expected Brexit to go badly but I think it is going well so far 5%

I expected Brexit to go badly and I think it is going badly so far 39%

Don't know 19%

So 14% think Brexit is going well, 67% think Brexit is going badly, and 19% don’t know.

Well.

Gerispringer Wed 16-May-18 04:50:06

Interesting headlines today -“ Scotland decisively rejects EU withdrawal bill”
“Clock is ticking for Theresa May as customs row drags on”
At least the Scottish politicians are being decisive.

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