Now Sajid Javid suffers racist abuse from Corbyn supporters.

Thanks paddyann I was stating much of what you just said earlier in this thread. There are words which can be racist but do little to affect directly affect people in there everyday lives. Then there are direct racist actions which wreck people's everyday lives and which the Conservatives hide under "policy targets".

Of course we all now realize that there are many who would have to come to Britain but have now decided not to because they feel they would be unwelcome but we as a country desperately need. That need is in the maintenance of our health service, in agriculture, in higher science and engineering and the hotel and catering industries etc.

Even in my own industry (industrial safety) we have a huge qualifications skill shortage which is the reason I am still working at the age of seventy four almost every day.

So much for Conservative targets born out of grassroots racism in that party.

Such they are worse than us , so playground , racists are everywhere , all racism is vile. This thread was started because Corbyn would not speak out and condem racist abuse. Instead we get - they are worse, as if that wipes out the fact he had the opportunity to speak out in the house. He walked out when anti semitism was discuss and the defence was - MPs do walk out. This time the defence is - the tories are more racist . This does not make it excusable for Corbyn not speaking out.

He left the Commons chamber because Diane Abbott the shadow home secretary was to speak on the matter which is how it should be under Parliamentary procedure.

Amber Rudd lied (sorry misled) Parliament in regard to her racism (apologies again misjudgement) or was it incompetence and that is the difference in the two parties actions in this racism debate.

Sajid Javid was racially abused and he asked Corbyn to denounce his racist followers. Corbyn when asked could have spoken for less than 30 second to agree that racism is abhorent but given the Labour shame regarding anti Semitism his words would have been insincere and hollow. He chooses once again to refuse to condemn racism.

Can we not agree that racism exists and I doubt if any political party is without it's closet racists. The fact that some Labour supporters seem to be in denial is very strange. Their riposte is "Oh the Tories are worst" as though that excuses another disgraceful lack of intervention by the Labour leader. It serves to highlight such a blinkered devotion to this man. He is obviously not a leader. He is an old revolutionary with Marxist tendencies who is intent on creating chaos aided and abetted by racist supporters. And that's ok?

There are racists in all parties and they all should be held to account. Dislike/ fear of Corbyn personally and his supporters should not mean he is held to be the arch racist in British politics. I agree he should not faff around and should robustly challenge racism both in the government and his own ranks. I am not a supporter of JC or TM btw.

Corbyn is not a rampant racist, he is weak, cannot lead, doesn’t speak out unless he has been tutored in what to say. His experience in politics is doing his own thing his own way , miners rallies, demonstrations, these are his limits. PMQ he reads his questions, who writes them for him?

lemongrove if you can site any racist policies embraced by the Labour party I am quite willing to examine each of them carefully and consider the effects these have had. In the meantime castigating a whole party and its leader simply because of a few racist rmarks on social media smacks of desperation.

trisher, all Corbyn had to say was - not in my name, but he chose silence because he didn't want to lose the support he has on line , the support is more important to him than principles . The leader of Barnet council said this morning their loss was caused by the failure to deal with anti semitism two years ago.

If only he would stand down now and the party elect a leader who isn't living in the past,doesn't sit in the fence, and who will realise the party needs votes from around the country , with Brexit, Windrush, the breast screening failure Labour should have stormed through the council elections

Under Corbyn Labour have missed the boat. Failure to deal with the anti-semitism accusations damaged them in the local elections. Sajid Javid has already moved quickly to confirm Afghan interpreters can stay in UK without paying a fee, I believe he will move just as quickly to deal with the Windrush debacle, taking the wind out of Labour's sails.

Annie name the leader you would see as taking over otherwise all you are doing is undermining the party you claim to love and feeding the need of Conservative supporters. (I don't expect an answer by the way)

I think the same Oldwoman . I wouldn’t be surprised if he becomes the next leader of the Tory party

trisher, pointless wasting time thinking of who should lead the party, if Corbyn did stand down Momentum will choose more of the same, a puppet . We are never going to agree, you want a far left leader I want a centre left leader.

So the key to good government is - Create an unholy mess that subjects people to real discrimination, lie to Parliament about things, then send in a new face to clear things up that should never have happened in the first place!!
Result great acclamation from all!!! Who knew?

Then if the government is all you claim trisher why didn’t they lose council seats around the country?

I did not say this government is a good government I said the Labour Party has a weak leader who sits on the fence . No use pointing out faults of the government , look at the faults in the labour leadership. I want a labour government you want a far left leader of the party.

Have you heard of a right wing press Annie? What has losing or gaining council seats to do with the very real fact that this government is not only racist but incompetent and inept. Still being a good Labour supporter you agree that it is acceptable to create a problem and then get acclamation for correcting it.

It’s not ‘ a very real fact’ at all that this government is racist, and to say so trisher smacks of desperation.
Labour has certainly done badly in some areas with council elections, it wasn’t the landslide they had hoped for.
After austerity cuts you would have thought Labour would have stormed through, but they haven’t, just like they didn’t at the GE last year.
His supporters won’t accept this but Corbyn himself is the problem.Yes, he has massively increased the membership
But not enthused the voters.
He is a weak leader who has allowed himself to become a puppet of Momentum, and like minded people, who have actually caused most centre left voters to shun him.

"So the key to good government is - Create an unholy mess that subjects people to real discrimination, lie to Parliament about things, then send in a new face to clear things up that should never have happened in the first place!!
Result great acclamation from all!!! Who knew?"

Yes it was a mess - but it is being dealt with, unlike the anti-semitism within the Labour party. Corbyn failed to denounce those who, claiming to be Labour supporters, racially abused Sajid Javid. I don't believe Corbyn is racist at all however I do think he is showing weakness in not robustly dealing with the racism within his own party

Wasn't it Yvette Cooper who tackled Theresa May a few years ago about failing to reach the numbers on immigration?

Or am I misremembering?

Yvette Cooper, the shadow Home Secretary, said: “Theresa May has finally admitted her net migration target is in tatters yet she still won't take responsibility for it.

“The Prime Minister promised ‘no ifs no buts’ to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands, and Theresa May has spent four years claiming she was on track.

“Net migration is now more than twice her target and rising - and she has finally been forced to admit her target is ‘unlikely’. Continually making and breaking grand promises on immigration is only undermining confidence in the entire system.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/government-failing-to-reach-immigration-cut-target-admits-home-secretary-theresa-may-9878077.html

Ironic really, for Yvette Cooper to challenge the "targets"

I do not believe this government is racist

. No use just criticising the faults of a government, lets hear what Labour would do, free musical instruments and free school meals is not the answer, neither is racing around declaring - I feel you pain.

no one knows where Corbyn stands re brexit, he is still on the frence, has always wanted out but chooses to say so for fear of losing support of remainders , refuses to offer a second referendum for fear of losing support of leavers.

Net migration is now more than twice her target and rising - and she has finally been forced to admit her target is ‘unlikely’

Nothing to do with the unexpected floods of migrants crossing the Mediterranean over which she (and others) had no control! [sarcasm emoji]

Here's a question:

What would be wrong (as in morally, logically or otherwise) in having a target of deporting 100% of illegal immigrants?

So lemongrove you don't accept that the mistreatment of women in Yarls Wood is racist? That the huge numbers of the Windrush generation who suffered and have not yet been recompensed aren't evidence of racism, that blocking visas for the Indian doctors recruited by the NHS and desperately needed isn't racist? One wonders what a government has to do to be considered racist. It seems racism on this thread only consists of name calling and terms of abuse, any racist actions are happily accepted.

As you say annie and lemon, labour should have stormed through these elections. To say that the Tory party is racist is just pathetic! All party's will have their racists, of that there is no doubt. Difference is if Mrs May were to be confronted with the sort of abuse the Jewish community are being subjected to by Tory supporters, I can almost guarantee that those supporters would be roundly condemned and told in no uncertain terms that there is no place for them in the party, regardless of votes. I'm sure JC is not a racist but my word he's weak! I find it so hard and sad to believe that this sort of hatred exists towards anyone simply because of who they are, and that includes the Royal Family. All those Jewish children being rescued (a safe haven) all those years ago from almost certain death! Well they'd think twice now - how sad is that?

Unless one argues that detaining any illegal immigrants is racist then it doesn't follow that the women at Yarl's Wood detention centre (or any other detention centre for illegal immigrants) are being kept there on the basis of racism.

And I'm not sure that the premise above ("detaining illegal immigrants is racist") is reasonable.