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Jacob Rees-Mogg Moves For Conservative Party Leadership.

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Grandad1943 Wed 23-May-18 17:49:55

With an open attack on Theresa Mays handling of the Brexit negotiations many in the media believe that Jacob Rees-Mogg has made his first open move in a bid to become Conservative party leader and Britain's next Prime Minister.

Rees-Mogg in yet another of his ongoing interviews with the media lambasted "weak" Theresa May for preparing the UK for "Brexit failure". Rees-Mogg stated that with The British negotiators going into each set of negotiations with an attitude of "we will kowtow before you, Mr Barnier in every way you possible throughout these talks" there is no hope of success for the UK. The foregoing are undoubtedly harsh words indeed even from an arch hard line Brexitier, but many believe that there is far more to Rees-Moggs words than just Brexit.

It may well be that this hard line right wing politician has witnessed the way that Jeremy Corbyn has moved the Labour party to the left and now feels he could carry out the same in the Conservative party with the exception of that move being in the opposite direction in regards to political ground.

Evidence to the above can be seen in Rees-Moggs attack on Scottish Conservative Leader Ruth Davison, for in the same interview he stated that Davison should not be allowed to marry her longtime same sex partner as planned. However, same sex marriage legislation was put before parliament and passed in 2013 under the David Cameron coalition government.

In making the above comment Rees-Mogg is undoubtedly looking to damage Ruth Davison, who also is seen as a possible next leader of the Conservative party. That stated, it is also being seen as a move against centre ground Concervatives in parliament.

In the above can be seen shades of Momentum's original moves against centre Blairite MPs in the Labour party.

Iam64 Thu 31-May-18 06:55:55

mcem, absolutely spot on comment. Mansplaining is tedious in RL but can be interrupted ✋️. Mansplaining on the political or news discussions is doubly tedious. I prefer to read all comments before posting but confess, I failed on this one

MawBroon Thu 31-May-18 07:32:59

mcem smilesmile
Perhaps some feel it is their duty to enlighten.hmm (I love the term”mansplaining”!)
Hope you are mending and beginning to feel more comfortable flowers

MaizieD Thu 31-May-18 07:58:03

I really don't know why you're attacking Grandad . He doesn't seem any different from any other poster. He hss his own style and his own point of view but so do most other posters.

It's news to me that one has to be on the right wavelength to post. Is there a test somewhere that a poster has to take to establish the correctness of their wavelength with a panel of right thinking posters to assess and grade wavelength acceptability? Do we get a certificate of approval?

At least Grandad doesn't get judgemental about other posters...

MawBroon Thu 31-May-18 08:00:07

No?
I think being accused of being a Sun reader by a total stranger is pretty judgemental hmm

MaizieD Thu 31-May-18 08:16:22

Perhaps, being a relatively new poster, he didn't realise that that is one of the most deadly insults in a poster's armoury...

Anniebach Thu 31-May-18 09:03:23

Perhaps.

Anniebach Thu 31-May-18 09:19:18

Does mansplaining include patronising ?

MawBroon Thu 31-May-18 09:24:39

Yeah, right. One shouldn’t be hurling any insults it is dismissive and frankly discourteous, you wouldn’t do it in a RL face to face conversation, would you?

trisher Thu 31-May-18 10:51:50

So now we have a new excuse for condemning anyone whose posts are slightly left wing. Having used Corbynista, communist, marxist, leftie and other insults we now have somone labelled as "mansplaining". What it actually means of course is that those on the right who don't like to read about the realities of the party in power can now happily dismiss yet more evidence. If supplying information is now "mansplaining" then many of the posters on this thread are doing whatever the posting equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears is.

mcem Thu 31-May-18 11:16:19

trisher say what you will about my comment that so many of the (few) men who post here show patronising tendencies but do not accuse me of right-wing leanings.
Think you jumped the gun there, based on one isolated post!
A little reading or recalling will show that I have supported your comments many times.

2 issues here - 1. a post that says some men are patronising and 2. politics in the widest (non-party) sense.
Conflate the two and you reach incorrect conclusions!

MawBroon Thu 31-May-18 11:23:38

How you can extrapolate anybody’s political leanings from these comments Trisher defeats me.
2 and 2 do not make 59.

Anniebach Thu 31-May-18 11:28:58

No one has called Granddad a communist. I find it strange Trisher that you consider saying anyone is a communist is an insult when you have said your own grandfather was a communist, you seemed proud of him.

What is not necessary is telling posters that those voice recognition things can be used by both sexes , there are very intelligent posters here, I am not one of them, do they need advising they too can use them ‘ the little woman ‘ approach is so patronising . Neither is accusing posters of slandering Corbyn, I think I criticise Corbyn the most, I have never posted anything that is not true .

mcem Thu 31-May-18 11:39:40

trisher may I please refer you to my 11am post on the austerity thread?

trisher Thu 31-May-18 11:44:44

Sorry mcem but there is and always has been a group on GN who use insults and name calling as a way of deflecting arguments. They are mostly right wing (although some claim not to be). If it seemed that I was in some way accusing you of being part of that group I apologise.
Saying something which is untrue is name calling Annie something you have consistently done.

Anniebach Thu 31-May-18 12:35:23

Suppose I have got use to it Trisher, I am a Tory spy, supporter of JRM,’ because he amuses me’ right wing, I deal in property, ?

Some far left ,although they claim not to be, are to the fore when it comes to verbal attacks.

trisher Thu 31-May-18 13:07:25

Have I called you a "Tory spy" Annie? I have many times asked for your views on many issues and you have consistently refused to answer or deflected the question. So I can only draw conclusions from the comments you make, many of which endorse right wing policies. If it looks like a duck....

mcem Thu 31-May-18 13:16:21

Thank you. I was not deflecting any political opinions but was objecting to apparently patronising remarks.
To clarify - I never have, never will support the Tory party. In the past have voted Labour but the party is irrelevant in Scotland at the moment. Joined and worked for Libdems, hoping that Shirley Williams would be our first female PM!
Believe that JRM is so blatantly wrong for 99.9% of the population that I can't see where his support comes from. In Scotland, is there a single JRM supporter? Not that I 'm aware of.
Happy to support SNP left of centre philosophy.
The prospect that he could ever be accepted here as PM is unthinkable!

Anniebach Thu 31-May-18 13:18:19

Did I say you Trisher, I was speaking of a few things the far left have said, you brought up name calling against the far left.

At times I have refused to answer your many questions, you can be aggressive , and I am not a duck

paddyann Thu 31-May-18 14:05:09

the problem is some label us as far left when we consider ourselves to be nearer centrist .I find it difficult to see any left wing tendencies in the labour party either in Scotland or England...I too vote SNP ..at least until Independence when we MIGHT get a labour party that IS socialist and they might get their supporters back IF they get back to their roots

Anniebach Thu 31-May-18 14:18:09

What is the Labour Party now in your opinion Paddyann?

mostlyharmless Thu 31-May-18 14:24:19

I haven’t noticed any “far left” posters on Gransnet.
What is the definition of “far left”?

trisher Thu 31-May-18 15:18:28

As far as some posters are concerned anyone who proposes anything which might be vaguely considered socialist mostlyharmless. It's not a term they usually discuss, just a means of stifling argument.

Anniebach Thu 31-May-18 15:28:36

As do those who dismiss posters with different views as being Tory ?

mostlyharmless Thu 31-May-18 15:31:06

I have been accused of being “far left” on these threads, but I find it difficult to work out why trisher.

paddyann Thu 31-May-18 16:11:14

My opinion of the labour party isn't printable ...lets just say the RED TORY label they get in Scotland is far nearer to what they are than socialists .