Repeal the 8th

Then you don’t know God

a country is god forsaken when it does not allow raped children to have an abortion - it is godforsaken when it allows a young woman having a miscarriage to die of septacemia because there is still a foetal heartbeat although the miscarriage is inevitable, a country is god forsaken when it forces a woman whose baby cannot survive to travel abroad to have a termination and have her baby’s ashes returned to her in a Jiffy bag through the post, a country is godforsaken when a mother who obtains the abortion pill for her daughter can face 14 years in prison. Ireland is a godforsaken country because there is NO love in any of this. And can I have a link please to the evidence about abortion as a form of contraception and that even if this were the case they should be punished by being forced to give birth? You do know how hard it is to get contraception in that godforsaken country don’t you?

god forsaken country
but that is a moot point as some people who do believe in God will believe that the child has a right to life.
Therefore the country is not necessarily god forsaken, it is not the right description.

I agree with what sodapop has said, and believe that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control.

It is, however, time this was repealed in a so-called modern country.

Many would not vote against abortion if it wasn’t - abortion for all no matter why. I supported the legalisation of abortion, I was a youngster when a neighbour helped his wife to abort, she died , he went to prison , their children went into foster care. I now think it has gone too far.

I agree it should be repealed no question. I do have reservations though about those women who use abortion as a form of birth control. Think they are in the minority.

I’d love someone who has ‘angst’ about repealing the 8th to explain why a 12 year old raped by her father should not have an abortion because that’s the reality at the moment in that god forsaken country

I also wholeheartedly support the repealing of the 8th amendment, which I think is misogynistic and humiliating for women. It is so hypocritical that it is not an offence for Irish citizens to travel abroad for an abortion, but are denied that right in their own country.

This thread is about repealing the 8th - the 8th makes abortion impossible in Ireland - that’s the issue - impossible

When fathers are able to be impregnated and carry a baby to term, then they can have choice. Until that happens they can quite frankly f* off

No, no choice for the father's, it is not their body.

And no choice for the babies fathers?

should be the mothers choice no one else has rights over her body ...Ireland needs to vote for abortion,the case of the woman who died after being refused a termination of a baby she was already miscarrying showed how barbaric this law is .Women have abortions for many reasons if they decide its right for them then thats all we need to know .

Nobody ‘likes’ the idea of abortion I’m sure but some of hate the idea of women being forced to endure a pregnancy against their wishes.And not all abortions are because of ‘mistakes’ Except for a mistake of nature. As for 3 months limit - some condition incompatible with life are only discovered at the 20 week scan or a young frightened girl hides the pregnancy and then there’s the delays arising from having to arrange travel and an appointment in England. As individuals we can disapprove as vehemently as we want - but give women the choice

And you do know don’t you ab that some of the aborted foetuses are much wanted babies with fatal foetal syndrome eg the top of their heads missing and no brains and the distraught parents have to go to England for the termination with all the costs and grief associated with that - one woman talking about it this week said she just wanted her mum to give her a hug but she was over the water. And then the ashes are returned in a Jiffy bag in the post - yep, brimming over with love and compassion - that’s the 8th for you

I've thought and thought about this, and I think my take on it is that I would approve(?) reluctantly for abortion up to three months. After that, except in extenuating circumstances, I would disapprove pretty vehemently. Oh dear! I suppose I don't like the idea at all, but do understand that we all make mistakes and shouldn't have to bear that for the rest of our lives- It certainly is a conundrum that's for sure.

And the Catholic Church in Ireland really covered itself with glory in the way the nuns treated the young unmarried mothers, stole their babies, lied to the mothers, used the mothers as almost slave labour - yep a lot of defending babies and treating mothers like sub- humans because they’d ‘sinned’.

It’s the mothers choice whether she’ll have to baby or not - it’s nobody else’s job to defend the foetus - no one else’s at all - who with any love or compassion would force a woman to carry a baby against her wishes - I think it’s pure evil to do that quite frankly.

Who defends the baby Ilovecheese ?

Not at all SpanielNanny, I just thought healthy babies aborted should be spoken of as well as little mites who are severely handicapped.

Oh, Anniebach I do hope I haven’t offended you. Abortion is a terrible decision for anybody to have to make, and I believe that very few if any are undertaken lightly. It is not something I could ever imagine doing myself, however I am very aware how lucky I am to have never been in that position.

Maybe victory is the wrong word, but I believe that it can only be a good thing to at least allow women to have their voices heard. I’m not sure anybody benefits from forcing a pregnancy on a woman.

It is a heartbraking choice, but it is the choice of the woman who is pregnant, and her choice only, nobody else should feel entitled to make that choice for her.

There are otherwise healthy women who die in many countries in the world or who are permanently disabled because they are forced to carry their pregnancy to term

Maybe victory isn’t quite the appropriate word but there are no winners in forcing someone to go through with a pregnancy that a woman wants to terminate for whatever reason. The yes supporters wouldn’t enforce abortion on women but the no supporters would force pregnancy and birth on women

It is such a heart breaking choice it can’t be thought of as a victory , it also means death for some healthy babies

I’m not sure I feel about abortion in relation to myself personally, (although that ship has long since sailed!) but it bothers me immensely that these young women do not have control over their own bodies.

I’m from england, but I sincerely hope the yes vote prevails. As maryeliza54 it feels like it would be a victory for all women.