Regret it Brexit Part 2

Not great economic news - biggest downturn since 2012

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/12/uk-economy-shows-greatest-signs-of-stress-since-2012?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Also the manufacture of the Landrover Discovery moving from Solihull to Slovakia.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44438846

Link to the Landrover story

I wonder what will happen in the Commons today when they vote on the Lords’ amendments.
The EEA Amendment is unlikely to be carried if the Labour abstention whip continues. But the “meaningful vote” might succeed.
The Justice Secretary Phillip Lee has resigned this morning so that he can speak out against the Government over Brexit. That will put pressure on May.

It will be a victory for our Parliamentary democracy if the amendment is won today.

I have been continually horrified at the way our constitution is being subverted by this whole Brexit process.

Leavers, with their continual bleating about the referendum being a truly democratic vote, seem to show very little understanding of the revolutionary nature of our current government who are seeking to overthrow the principle of separation of powers which has informed the development of our 'democracy' since the Civil War (400+years ago) and return absolute power to the Executive; which is just what the Civil War was fought to overcome...

The one thing that history shows us is that 'democracy' in the form of 'the claimed will of the people' always ends badly. Usually with an uncurbed dictatorship and rigorous suppression of dissent.

Remainers who keep on and on whinging about having a second referendum remind me of children who lose the toss and then shout best of three, then best of five. It was a fair vote everyone who had a right to vote was eligible to vote if they could be bothered to go out to vote. The majority of the country voted to Brexit not to remain. The government now needs to get on with negotiating the best Brexit they can.

Six months after referendum I asked everyone I knew who had voted if they had changed their mind about their original vote either to remain or Brexit and not one person said they had changed their mind. Many said they were even more sure.

But U.K. is a country governed by Parliamentary democracy not plebiscite.

More than 100 technology founders and entrepreneurs have joined forces to lobby the government to back a meaningful vote on the actual terms of Brexit. New group Tech for UK, whose members include lastminute.com founder Martha Lane Fox, George Bevis, founder of small business banking provider Tide and Giles Andrews, co-founder of peer-to-peer lending firm Zopa, is lending its support to a public vote and final say on the terms of Brexit. The group is supporting anti-Brexit campaign group Best for Britain, which is trying to find a democratic way to stop the UK from leaving the European Union.

It says Brexit is already having an adverse effect on the UK technology sector because of the loss of access to European funds and the Digital Single Market. The percentage of UK companies recruiting foreign workers fell by a third in the wake of the referendum to leave the EU, research from recruitment firm Hired found in May last year. UK’s promising tech start-ups worth more than France and Germany’s combined “We went from the fastest growing country in the EU [before Brexit] to the lowest-growing, with the economy expected to grow a mere 1 per cent in 2018,” said Madhuban Kumar, founder and chief executive of data analytics firm Metafused, and co-organiser of Tech For UK. "It’s time the people of the UK had a say on what Brexit actually is.”

inews.co.uk/news/technology/uk-tech-founders-lobby-for-meaningful-vote-on-actual-terms-of-brexit/

but U.K. is a country governed by Parliamentary democracy not plebiscite.

I don't think they know what 'plebiscite means, Ww.

I don’t think a lot of people understand properly what a Parliamentary democracy is and how people such as MPs are supposed to behave for the good of the country and not for party or personal gain.

Definition of plebiscite 'The direct vote of all members of an electorate on an important question eg. a change in the constitution.'

Yes Welshwife I wish as much effort that's going into derail Brexit would go into making it a success. If only our MP's were behaving "for the good of the country and not for party or personal gain".

A plebiscite also is supposed to follow clear rules which the EU one failed on all fronts.

The 'good of the country', smileless, by every rational assessment, would be best served by remaining in the EU. Most MPs know that. The tragedy is that a large number are putting party before country.

Tom Brake (Libdem MP) said just now in Parliament that the ONLY reason for Brexit was “the will of the people”. No other valid reason exists. So why not check the “will of the people” in a new People’s vote?
If Brexiteers are so confident in the will.... then another vote would prove them right.
What is there to lose?

The “majority of the country” did not vote for Brexit btw.

EU Withdrawell bill. "Lords amendment 19 on "meaningful vote" gives MP's the power to stop the UK from leaving the EU without a deal."

The Aye's have it!

MP's will not have a final say (vote) to stop the UK leaving the EU without a deal. So hard brexit is possible now as far as I see it.

This country voted in two elections, one an advisory one to leave the EU and another General Election when the two main party's now in Government and Oppositions stood on a pro Brexit mandate.

So twice by majority the country made it known that we are to Brexit.

It can be wrapped up anyway people wish, that is the reality, and it looks now that that is going to happen deal or no deal.

Most MP's have just voted to leave the EU with or without a deal, by rejecting the Lords amendment 19.

In the 2017 General Election the Conservatives won 42.4% of the vote and the DUP 0.9% of the vote - yet this undemocratic FPTP system of elections resulted in a combined majority for these two parties.

Those Conservatives elected under this undemocratic system, even though they know that their duty is to act in the best interests of their constituents and the country, are put under enormous pressure by their party whips to vote for this minority government. It is about time that we had electoral reform so we could become a genuine democracy.

Varian, it looks like they failed!

Varian. The system doesn't do what you want so it becomes undemocratic. All I can say is I hope you are never in a position of power.

Who failed? If brexit actually has to happen then we will certainly know who failed - the culprits who failed our country, failed our children and grandchildren and did not follow their consciences and those who believed their lies.

In a parliamentary democracy, MPs are elected in proportion to the votes their party gets in an election.

Then when they are elected they vote in parliament in accordance with their true beliefs about what is best for the country.

Most MP's do not sincerely believe that leaving the EU will be good for our country. If they had been elected by PR, that would be an even greater majority.

I disagree allyg
It is a very confusing system, but the Government has just agreed on a new amendment (in lieu of Amendment 19) which ensures that there WILL BE A MEANINGFUL VOTE. This new offer from May was to bring the Tory rebels back on board.

Robert Peston, ITV’s political editor, has put a good post about the government concession on his Facebook page. Here is an extract.

Arguably this transfers considerable power to MPs over the shape of a future Brexit deal. And it probably means that a no-deal Brexit is no longer any kind of realistic prospect.

It means that if May really believes she was able to put negotiating pressure on the rest of the EU by threatening to Brexit without a deal, she has lost that leverage.

In other words, one of her favourite catchphrases - that no deal is better than a bad deal - is dead. And that will be official in just a few days, when the bill returns to the Lords