is this acceptable from YOUR elected MP's?

Gilly I did indeed, but on reflection and further research I now see it differently.

Granny23 you say that the Government will be able to agree to American companies buying into the NHS etc. Is this a definite will? Or just a possible, a maybe to be debated?

I was working yesterday, but did watch the "goings on" in the House of Commons on returning home and was appalled at the behaviour of many members of Parliament during Prime Minister's question time. The shouting and gesticulation being carried out with no regard for the procedures from all the benches was nothing short of disgusting.

The prime Minister's question time is normally "raucous" to say the least and deserves little respect on any Wednesday. However, I believe that yesterday (13th June) the behaviour in the house sunk to new depths. Do we really expect our young people to have any true regard for democracy when they witness that behaviour from those who purport to be the leaders of our country.

By example to the above, David Dimbleby speaking later in the evening in regard to his programme on Russia, advised that it was the young people of that country who supported the Putin regime and in large numbers. Surely, it could well be that those young people have seen our so-called democratic leaders in action in the House of Commons and have thought to themselves "we wish to have no part of that in our country".

Many of those in the House of Commons are career politicians who have never held down any employment outside of parliament. Therefore, they do not realise that should they act in such a manner towards colleagues in any other workplace environment, they would be immediately disciplined for harassment and bullying and possibly face dismissal or possibly an industrial tribunal in that regard.

United Kingdom is at this point in time facing one of the biggest decisions to be made since the Second World War in regards to Brexit. Surely we as the electorate deserve that those we send to Parliament act with respect to others in that place and toward us who sent them there as our representatives.

They are there to listen to the arguments in debate with due regards for the opinions of all others. In that, they must stop behaving in the manner of an "undisciplined hoard" if long term democracy is to be preserved in this country.

I am sure there are many like myself who are totally disgusted by the events of yesterday in Parliament and feel that change must come about for the essential good governance of this country.

NFK My understanding is that the Westminster Parliament has the power now to privatise, sell off or franchise parts of NHS England and Wales to anyone. What they do not have is the power to do the same with the Scottish NHS as this power is devolved to the Scottish Parliament who have chosen not to privatise any part of their Health Service, although they do, on occasion, 'buy in' services from privately owned health facilities to plug gaps in the NHS. This is one of the most worrying things about the retention of devolved powers at Westminster, as it would allow Westminster to force legislation in such areas on Scotland. Legislation which is completely against the expressed will of the Scottish Parliament.

Well said Grandad

trisher and grandad your posts have reassured me.
While absolutely behind granny23 's rational and considered post, I am pleased that 2 non-Scots have got to the nitty-gritty and seen this as a serious attack on basic principles of democracy.
Of UK democracy!
Bercow clearly trampled over procedural rules and his disgusting sniggering was a disgrace.
This is an issue which should concern all of us ( and that's without even discussing the implications of the 'power grab').
After the initial showing of yesterday 's parliamentary events, Bercow's contemptuous sniggering was edited out for later bulletins.
I have just watched bbc 1 o'clock news and this significant constitutional event didn't merit a mention.

Mcem with today being the 1st anniversary of Grenfell and the start of the Football world cup it is indeed a good day to bury awkward news. This 'significant constitutional event' should be of concern to every thinking person in the UK - of equal concern to those who want to preserve the Union and those who want to dissolve it. We now have recorded evidence that any pretence at a 'Union of Equals' is exactly that - mere pretence.

Granny23, I believe that what we all witnessed yesterday should concern all who wish to see the not only the preservation of the Union, but also the much wider preservation of our very democracy.

What we took place in the House of Commons was not democracy in action, it was the appalling behaviour of people who seemed to have learned no better on all sides of the house.

In my honest opinion, had football supporters behaved towards one another in the way that those MPs did, then those very same MPs would in all probability be the first to have condemned them.

The Speaker got it wrong, the SNP leader got it wrong and the rest of the rabble bayed like a pack of wild animals. However, wild animals when they make such notices do so for very good reason. However, those MPs should have realised they had no such reason with the exception of the fact they know no discipline or respect.

Disgusting.

That’s worrying Granny23. I don’t know if they’d dare - it’d be political suicide!

I’ve long given up watching anything broadcast from parliament as I find it too embarrassing that grown up, supposedly mature, intelligent people can act the way they do in the chamber. They seem to believe that because of the immunity granted in there to voice an opinion they can act worse than mindless yobs. A fine example to the youth of today and no wonder that few want to have anything to do with it. And that’s just what we see. What goes on by way of bullying and blackmail behind the scenes can only be imagined if this is the standard of behaviour they think is ok.

It's a bearpit.

Most of the work gets done behind the scenes in committees.

In 1979 the first Scottish Devolution referendum resulted in a vote of 52% in favour, 48% against, but this decision was not enacted because less than 40% of the electorate had voted in favour. If the 40% threshold had been reached, it would have become law.

In 2016 no such safeguard was put in place because the referendum was ADVISORY. If it had been uintended to be enacted, the 40% requirement would have been put in place.

This "will of the people" nonsense is a fabrication of the right wing press. Most British people would prefer to remain in the EU and that is what should happen.

Yes varian had David C put that proviso in place we wouldn't be in this mess now.
One more example of the arrogance of today's self-serving Tory party.
With 5000+ applications in 24 hours to join the SNP and the ridiculous David Mundell faffing about and declaring that he was 'just about to' introduce the necessary debate, the Tories have done an excellent PR job for the SNP.

How can you be so sure that most people would prefer to remain in the EU varian? That’s not the impression I get around here.

most British people would prefer to remain in the eu
They obviously didn't prefer it enough to get off their backsides and vote for it, did they?

Although we can say with certainty that most people living in Scotland and NI, would prefer to remain in the EU.

But of course they're not allowed to!

It seems that the British parliament want power to be returned to Britain, but are happy to strip power from the Scots and N Irish

I don’t think enough people took the vote seriously . I think many people didn’t vote because they assumed they didn’t need to and the rest would make sure we stayed in the EU. Then there are some others ( like a few of the dafties I work with) who believed that “foreigners were stealing their jobs” and voted leave. Sadly they could be proved right as quite a few of our customers are moving their operations to Central Europe as a result of Brexit .

I do so dislike when members pitch one part of the UK against another. Along the lines of when YOUR Scots MPs help Labour impose university fees on the rest of the UK, when hitherto all was free.

Without YOUR MPs votes it would never have been passed.

University fees …. something even Mrs Thatcher thought beyond the pale.

They are OUR MPs.

Couldn't happen now Riverwalk as any change would be taken under EVEL rules, with no Scots based MPs allowed in the chamber.

But powers were devolved Riverwalk and snatching them back when you choose to because it suits the particular policy you are pursuing at the time is totally undemocratic. Had the vote on the EU been pitched to the three nations as a vote to leave meaning the loss of devolved powers I suspect the remain vote would have been much higher.

I'm well aware of the devolved powers trisher and the issues raised - I was commenting on the OP's tone/accusations in her use of YOUR MPs, obviously addressing English members.

Those of us south of the border are not collectively responsible for every arsehole Tory MP.

Quite River

To balance things, I know several people who didn’t bother to vote in the referendum because they said it wouldn’t make any difference, we wouldn’t come out anyway as London wanted to stay in.

Unfortunately in this instance Riverwalk it is the English MPs with the support of the DUP of course who have "snatched" the power and who have effectively disenfranchised voters in Scotland. You have posted that Scottish MPs have voted on matters in England in a way you dislike, but suppose only Scottish MPs were allowed to vote on something English? You would find that even more unacceptable, but that is in fact what English MPs have done. And you may not have voted for them but they are still English.