If there was another EU referendum...

Jura, this is entirely hypothetical but I would indeed feel very hurt if any member of my family told me to “stop whingeing” if I told them how their actions had brought about a situation which would negatively impact my life, because I assume my family care for me. They might have had their own good reasons for their decision, but understanding is not too much to hope for from one’s family.
And if it was “friends”?
Well, they wouldn’t be friends after that.

‘.....total lack of empathy-^which has been shown here too^.
Can you explain please? I don’t know where lack of empathy has been shown on this thread.

If your parents or relatives come to visit, and you expalin clearly why Brexit will affect you severely, financially, re health care, re pension transfers, and a whole list of things- and the reply is 'oh stop whinging' - when what you have described is real and severe, with dire consequences- how would you feel? And if on top of that they come up with crude and racist comments - then how would you feel in that respect. It is not about Brexit per se- but the reasons for those persons and the total lack of empathy- which has been shown here too, with very thinly veiled 'oh well tough- you chose to go and live abroad- made your bed no?.'

Jalima, I never said all Brexiters are racists. The people I mentioned, and who are disgusted with some parents and relatives, are so because of the blatant racism shown by said parents in relatives. It is not about a difference of opinion- but about a total disregard for the real and disastrous effects it will have on them, as UK citizens abroad, and the sheer racism expressed by those people. I never extrapolated that that is the case for all Brexiters.

Exactly MawBroon - and this is a real concern. The extreme right in the UK is threatening real violence on the streets if a Hard Brexit is not delivered.

Do you think the break up of the EU- will decrease the risks posed by the extreme and violent right, or decrease it. I'd say the latter. I can't stand Junker either btw.

Really MaizieD?
You might want to read up on the advance of the extreme Right in European politics today.
content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2085728,00.html

But at least Theresa May isn't in a permanent state of inebriation.

Oh, FGS, Jalima, was that meant to be amusing? The EU reduced to one person and a bit of scurrilous gossip?

At least it's not dominated by a bunch of money grabbing fantasists with fascist tendencies and a good line in hypocrisy

There are complaints from EU members that Ms May’s proposals are too complicated and hard to understand. What chance for us normal bods to make a informed decision if it’s to be one of the choices in another referendum? Would we all be sent a copy of the full details so we’re not misled by the media? I don’t see it as an option.

Jalima, who could you possibly be talking about?

Jalima

I don't think much of any of them MaizieD
But at least Theresa May isn't in a permanent state of inebriation.

Well, Jalima, the more I see of this current UK government and its shenanigans the safer I would feel inside the EU.

The 2016 referendum merely asked if we wanted to stay in or leave the EU.

If we have another one it will to be to ask if we are happy with the deal that has been agreed (supposing that a deal is agreed) and do we still want to leave on those terms. Confirmation, not asking the same question all over again.

I happen to be very patriotic, love this country & it’s traditions, but I am also realistic and IMO we would have been better of staying in the EU albeit it’s not perfect

My views entirely, but I would not make vitriolic comments as some do about those who voted Brexit.

However, the more I see of the EU and its present shenanigans, the more I realise how far from perfect it is.

but about the total lack of understanding and sympathy/empathy for the difficult situation we find ourselves in
I am still quite as to why, as I did not think that Switzerland was a member of the EU.

If this is to do with the fluctuating exchange rate, then this happens constantly and has affected members of our family who live overseas - way before Brexit. It is something which happens constantly.

So, jura, what you are saying is that a few people on a closed forum are annoyed because their relatives did not vote in accordance with what they themselves wanted?

b) disgusted with their Brexit voting parents, family and 'friends' back in UK
What unpleasant and selfish people they sound, to not respect the views of others.

not Brexit per se, but the blatant racism and prejudice associated
And as for that yet again - it has been explained to you, very nicely on another thread, that most people who voted Brexit are not prejudiced nor racist and did not vote to leave because of any such views.

Really, your posts are sometimes beyond belief.

some have developed severe medical issues after their move,
jura are you saying, then, that these people moved from the UK to enjoy the good times when they were fit and well, but now recognise that good old Blighty is perhaps the best place to live when they become old, infirm and ill?
Interesting.

Quite so Chewbacca.....quite so.

Have it your own way Grandad. Time will tell.

Chewbacca, will happen I believe as parliament becomes deadlocked over the issue on its return in the Autumn.

No more referendums, the question was asked and the voters decided.End of.

Won't happen.

Apologies one to many "since" in the above. :-(

I believe that with more than two years since having past since the EU referendum it is now imperative that Briton has a new vote on European Union membership.

With all the issues now for both remain and leave firmly laid out before the public and that public now much more aware of those issues, a second vote would secure our democracy on this matter and end this endless debate

*petra*^Mon 23-Jul-18 16:37:42 ^

Indeed, petra

Overuse of such language cheapens its use.