If there was another EU referendum...

Actually, varian, I consider myself a very responsible voter, and don’t take my decisions lightly. It’s quite presumptious of you to suggest otherwise. I’ve listened a lot to what has taken place over the last few years of chaos, and my personal views about the EU and brexit remain the same so far, and I really doubt very much that I will be convinced otherwise. But, who knows? Anyway, it’s probably all wishful thinking. I suspect there will be no further referendums.

MaizieD next time you knock the NHS, I will remind you that you had the opportunity to have facts and figures and opinions to hand, that is unless your concentration span allows you to read the information available to you, so you can post from data rather than feelings.

Grandad, it's your loss. I would have thought that you would have been eager to have as much information as possible on which to base any future statement's about the NHS that you might make, or other's might make, in order that you can judge the true from false, or make sure your postings were accurate. But it is your choice. You just don't have to bother telling me off, because it scares you to see facts.

Grandad as I said, the post was prompted by a post by Jura, which was nothing to do with the thread title, I simply responded. So as I said, ask Jura.

Grandad1943 so, your level of comprehesion and attention span prevents you from assimmilate evidence when it is put to you in the amounts it is presented.
its like saying you only ready intruction pamphlets rather than manuals because they are too wordy, but then you dont read instructions anyway because you definately know how things work.

Alexa, I can't agree with you that most voters are ignorant about economics. Generalising is so unscientific don't you find. The only way to be taken seriously is to back up a statement with some data, or rationale, that is what I was taught.

I read some of them, Joel'snan. Enough to know that they're mainly what I said they were.

Joelsnan, yes my term "diatribe" completely appropriate I feel for allygrans posts

Thank you Alexa.

Anyone who watched the documentary series Hospital or who watches the various programmes regarding our emergency services see the actual reality of what is happening on the ground.

The NHS is a wonderful thing and has helped many people but it is being starved of resources because the statistics do not show the increased demand and costs resulting from inadequate convalescent, after care and home care provision for elderly people or the massively increased costs arising because agency doctors and nurses are taking up a huge part of the budget. The NHS is just about getting by because of the non-agency staff who are working above and beyond what is reasonable.

Egotistical might be a good adjective for Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, but not for the 48 million British people who did not vote Leave.

MaizieD do you read them?
varian egotistical was the intended adjective.
Grandad1943, your term ...diatribe

And diatribe.

and pre Referendum ...

The fact is, joelsnan that ally's posts are very light on evidence and very heavy on cake, unicorns and wishful thinking.

shhh ... dont spoil it Varian - it's going so well, really (not)

Egotistical????? Do you mean ideological??? or principled?? or well informed?? or considered???

Or possibly just right????

Grandad1943
The little 'cabal' of remainers constantly demand evidence from those who voted leave to substantiate their reasoning however when evidence is given in detail as Allygran posts it is regarded as diatribe. Is the fact that these often evidence based posts are too long for remainers to read and comprehend an indication of their superficiality and their remain reasons are purely egotistical.

Allygran, yes, I see what you mean, the one with the bar graphs was was pre-Referendum.

I could of course be quite wrong, but I guess that most voters are, like myself, ignorant about the economics involved and intending to vote from feelings or ideology.

It has been pointed out to allygran before that life is too short to read huge posts which are just cut n paste from Wikipedia , or worse, incomprehensible streams of consciousness, but anyone who complains is accused of bullying or being too dim to appreciate the importance of said tracts. Best thing is just ignore them and move on.

Allygran1. here is the link to the quotation from an essay. I should have posted the link or named the source. Sorry:

thesocietypages.org/socimages/tag/nation-britainthe-u-k/

I'll try to source the other one you mentioned.

Should be "therefore it is you" above.

Allygran1, it is you that posted that ridiculous long statistical list regarding the NHS, there, it is you that should be justifying why you did that, not anyone else

Also, do you really think that anyone is going to read all that along with all the other essays you write?

What is it you are trying to prove to all others on this forum, as I am sure like myself very few put themselves through reading all that diatribe.

If you had the opportunity of a Peoples Vote, you would know more than you can possibly know now about the implications of leaving or remaining.

I would hope that any responsible voter would take the chance to become fully informed about the terms and likely effects of their decision, and not just automatically vote as they did before.

If there was another referendum, which I doubt, I would vote exactly the same as before.