If there was another EU referendum...

the EU and Press are amazed and flummoxed that the UK and David Davis are today furious that it has been confirmed that if and when UK exits, they will no longer be part of Galileo project, which will put us at risks. The gist of comments is 'what on earth did they expect'?

It is not only in airport queues that we would belong to the third world, if it is ignored.
The 'third world' - if defined as Latin America, Oceania and Asia, is the up and coming world in the opinion of some.

“We’re all doomed” !

The EU is watching, the whole world is watching ... all those countries all around the globe we have criticised in the past for election fraud and rigged elections ... the reputation of the UK, should it ignore the proven findings of the Commission, would be in tatters. It is not only in airport queues that we would belong to the third world, if it is ignored.

Old Meg

" POGS you posted ‘can I ask would you be happy to see a political party win an election by spending more money than they are legally entitled to?’

I think that happened in the last election. Did you miss thar?"
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If you follow the time line of the thread you will note I was
' quoting ' part of a post from trisher Wed 04-Jul-18 14:40:47 to niggly .

Perhaps you should raise your point with trisher if that wording is an issue for you .

As for the last election I don't follow your logic re my post , what am I ' missing '? I raised the point both Labour and Conservatives were fined by the Electoral Commission so I am at a loss as to what you are trying to say/prove to be honest.

*though of course

Sadly thoug, varian, it looks as if the juggernaut will roll on regardless...

The Electoral Commission’s findings mean it’s beyond doubt that there is no proper mandate to leave the EU

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/04/vote-leave-cheated-will-people-mps-electoral-commission

POGS you posted ‘can I ask would you be happy to see a political party win an election by spending more money than they are legally entitled to?’

I think that happened in the last election. Did you miss thar?

" niggly can I ask would you be happy to see a political party win an election by spending more money than they are legally entitled to? Especially if you hadn't voted for that party. Because allowing this vote to stand with such flagrant disregard of the law invites others to do the same."

Hmm.

Can I remind those who use the Electoral Commission fines to propagate/propagandize their cause this is not a one sided political issue and to do so is verging on hypocrisy a tad.

Examples of what I mean :-

Liberal Democrats fined £18,000 for breaches of campaign finance rules during EU Refendum.

The total sum, which nears the Commission’s maximum individual fine of £20,000, is made up of two fines. The first fine, of £17,000, was imposed for failing to provide acceptable invoices or receipts for 80 payments with a total value of more than £80,000. In some cases no invoices or receipts were provided at all, and in others some were provided which were inadequate, such as credit card statements, or were incomplete. The second fine, of £1,000, was issued because some payments were reported in aggregate rather than as individual payments.

Fined Open Britain (formerly known as Britain Stronger in Europe) has been fined £1,250 for failing to deliver a complete and accurate spending return for the EU Referendum.

Labour Party were fined £20.000 for breaking election spending rules at the 2015 election.

Conservative Party fined £70.000 for breaking election spending rules at the 2015 election.

If you look at the Electoral Commission web site you will probably be surprised how many political parties , affiliated groups either for or against as the case may be have been fined for breaking campaign rules over finance at the time of the EU Referendum.

Varian

" When electoral fraud is proven to have occurred, the election should be declared null and void and should have to be rerun with strict adherence to the rules."

So my belief is the Electoral Commission is 'looking into' Corbyns Momentum , I am happy to be corrected if this is misinformation on my part.

IF and it is a big ' IF' Jeremy Corbyn had won the 2015 General Election would still hold the same opinion?

Indeed. And the whole wide world, including the EU and its negotiators know about the proven fraudulent nature of the Referendum.

When electoral fraud is proven to have occurred, the election should be declared null and void and should have to be rerun with strict adherence to the rules. There is little point in fining hugely wealthy groups who broke the rules by spending too much when they are hardly short of cash.

If the EU referendum result was obtained by lies and dirty money, it should never be regarded as a legitimate basis for causing such huge damage to our country. The billions of pounds already wasted would just have to be written off and of course the government would lose face and perhaps lose power, but we would be saved from financial disaster and we might just salvage part of our national respect.

You're welcome, NfkDumpling!

Beg your pardon When. Scottish Parliament.

What happened to the conservative candidate who was fiddling for Thanet 1grin] in 2015. I don't remember that election being cancelled. And why, because they were all at it.

How scandalous would the revelations have to be?

I believe that all the political parties overspent on the GE for various reasons.This is much the same thing, and there would only be another referendum if there was positive proof that people had voted a certain way because of the advertising by overspending.
In other words, there won’t be another referendum because of this matter.

This is the fiery conversation between James O'Brien and a caller who simply didn't care that Vote Leave are reported to have broken election rules during the EU Referendum.

A draft report by the Electoral Commission has found that the official campaign to leave the EU breached electoral rules during the referendum. Roger called LBC to say they may have broken the rules and he simply doesn't care.

That put him on a collision course with James. The LBC presenter asked Roger again and again: "Why do rules matter?" And once Roger admitted that they are important to ensure fair play, the argument was all over.

He told him: "This is a simple question of you not caring of rules being broken because you liked the result that was delivered in circumstances that can now be fairly described as invalid."

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-schools-brexiteer-vote-leave-rules/

it certainly would set a very dangerous exemple for the future. Combined with the clear lies on buses, and in TV interviews, Press, etc.

niggly can I ask would you be happy to see a political party win an election by spending more money than they are legally entitled to? Especially if you hadn't voted for that party. Because allowing this vote to stand with such flagrant disregard of the law invites others to do the same.

There will not be a second referendum , both Tory government and Labour leader want out

Well, here is a link to demographic maps of voting trends mentioned by Alexa:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028

Pollaidh, what would you conclude about Boston from the above link?
That their inhabitants are older, not educated, prejudiced or perhaps that they have a financial interest in the UK leaving the EU?

Or that people in Lambeth and Hackney are young, well-educated, not prejudiced and don't have investments which rely on Brexit to do well?

yes niggly, many wh voted leave would vote leave again. But many have now clearly changed their mind, and they would be voting on the final deal, with all info clear about what leave would actually mean. With such a tiny minority, even Farage said it would be ‘unfinished’ business.

as it is now clearly and officially proven that it was based on fraudulent financing and lies... of course it can be declared illegal -like any fraudulent vote anywhere in th democratic world.

As parliament agreed and passed the referendum being binding by a majority vote,

They passed an act to hold an advisory referendum by a majority vote. The 'binding' bit was a twiddle added in by Cameron after the act had been passed and he had absolutely no right under our constitution to make that 'promise'.