If there was another EU referendum...

For those of you who read French, here is just one article of 100s in world press today:

www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2018/03/28/londres-furieux-d-etre-ecarte-du-projet-galileo_5277457_3234.html

jura2
It's Europe that will be in trouble if we are locked out of the Galileo project.
We ( that's the uk) are members of "the most prominent intelligence alliance in the world"
It's called: Anglosphere five eyes intelligence alliance.
Let's suppose that Europe carries on with the project.
Tracking systems are on the Falkland Islands, Ascension Island, and Diego Garcia. These are all ours ( that's the uk) they can be switched off at the flick of a button.
Who's got the problem?

I should have put tracking systems for the Galileo project are on these uk territories, incase it wasn't clear.

It’s EU countries who will lose out, not us, we ( and the US)
Have superior intelligence gathering all round.

Maw I think Private Fraser had all the best lines.

'Stupid boy ref: Monsieur Barnier could be relevant in this instance!!!?

lemom
The only European politician who understands how serious this situation is for Europe is Hans Seehoffer, Angela Merkels nemasis. He has personally written to Brussels expressing his views.

petra so why is our GVT and DD going berserk and throwing toys out of the pram on this?

jura2
Why are the Swiss worried?

Our UK GVT petra, you do remember I am British indeed, don't you, r do we have to go all over this again.

However, since you mention it, the Swiss GVT s also worried. As has been pointed out by some, Switzerland is in a very difficult situation re vote of Feb 2014 on limiting free movement. The EU cannot be seen to make concessions to CH (Switzerland), as it would set a precedent for UK. What is at stake is massive, for Swiss industry, our Universities re huge International Research projects, Erasmus, Finance, and so much more.

Who or what is GVT please?

Didn’t I hear that Australia want to step in if we’re excluded from Galileo?

NfkDumpling
Australia is a member of Anglosphere five eyes intelligence alliance as are Canada, New Zealand, U.K., USA. Hence the five eyes.
It was developed after the WW2 and was not disclosed to the world in general until the late 90s.
we have nothing to worry about Re our intelligence security.

I think it's government, Maw

Than you when,the usual abbreviation is of course govt. not a three upper case letter acronym

We are leaving.
Two years ago the vote was leave.
It is not relevant how we would vote now.

Some lively discussion on other topics relevant to the leaving situation and accepting the fact that right or wrong we are leaving would be welcome.

Two years ago many were deluded into voting leave by lies like the lie on the bus.

None of us had any idea of the terms of brexit which might just emerge from this weekend's cabinet meeting at Checkers.

The next step would be to try to get the other 27 EU nations to agree. It is likely that further compromises might have to be made.

If, at the end of all that ,we can see that the brexit we are being offered is a much worse deal than the one we now have as EU members, why should we cut off our nose to spite our face? Are we crazy????

Well said Gmelon but some of us having been saying that in various forms all year.

GoVernmenT

I would like to see a second referendum based on facts not lies. 52% to 48% was too close, it always makes me cross when people say that the majority of the people voted to leave, it was such a small majority. The mistake was not to have had any decision to leave or stay based on a minimum 60%/40% vote. The danger of a repeat referendum would be that a similar close vote the other way would result, leading to an extremely unhappy and divided nation. We should never have had a referendum, we elect our MPs to make informed decisions on our behalf.

I so agree Bossyrossy but given that we are where we are now, on the basis of a fraudulent referendum where about 27% of the British people, many of whom were swayed by lies, voted leave, what is the best we can hope for now?

Inded BossyRossy. It is so weird to hear people say 'the Will of the People' and 'Get back Control' - when ths was done in a way totally alien to our very own system of Parliamentary Democracy, and when our very own rules state clearly that Referendums are and can only be, advisory. And with such a tiny majority won on big lies, and now proven fraudulent ways. Democracy !?!

GoVernmenT
Ah well, no harm in inventing new abbreviations I suppose, even if there is a perfectly adequate one already.
Keeps people OTT (on their toes)

The EU is prepared to change its Brexit position if Theresa May softens her negotiating red lines, Michel Barnier has said. The offer from the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator could be seen as a strategic olive branch coming just as the prime minister tries to strike a deal between the warring sides of her cabinet at Chequers.

“I am ready to adapt our offer should the UK red lines change,” Barnier said in a speech to the Institute of International and European Affairs in Brussels. “Our objective has always been to find an agreement with the UK, not against.”

He called on all sides to stop arguing over the Irish border, imploring everyone to “de-dramatise” the issue. However, he said the EU would not shift its own red line on the single market, which he said was “not and never should be seen as a big supermarket; it is economic, cultural and social life, it should be developed in all its dimensions”.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/06/michel-barnier-eu-willing-to-compromise-if-uk-softens-brexit-red-lines

Theresa May has made many mistakes but the red lines nonsense was one of the worst. It was totally unnecessary and gave rise to the absolutely insoluble Irish border problem. The best thing she could do would be to cancel brexit altogether as it has a very dubious legal basis. The second best thing she could do would be to cancel the stupid red lines.

or OTT (over the top)