If there was another EU referendum...

Anything other is Anarchy and that is what I will from now on call the activist remain groups who are attempting to bring down our Democratic processes:

I think you know very little about our democratic processes, Ally

Varian, It looks like the threat to our Democracy is much nearer to home than Russia. Those so called shady forces and their friends in the media that you mention would seem to be planning to bring down our Democracy, in the name of the remain voters. Most of whom will be appalled.
You are probably fully aware of this:
The spring and summer will see a major uptick in campaigning by various pro-European groups, according to several figures involved, who are now better coordinated thanks to a 60-person email group, better financing and a shared strategy. Remainers have set their sights on a key parliamentary vote in the fall that will see MPs accept or reject Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit deal with the EU. – Politico

Subversive activity a threat to bring down the Democracy of this Country. Infiltrating opinion sites. All in the interest's of overturning two democratic vote's that the minority do not agree with.

The basis of democracy is majority vote, rule of Law and acceptance of those things. Anything other is Anarchy and that is what I will from now on call the activist remain groups who are attempting to bring down our Democratic processes: Anarchists.

So please don't tell me that our Democracy is in danger from the Russians..the threat is from within from what I am reading, organised plans to subvert the course of our Democracy, by anarchist posing as remain campaigners.Wealthy elite with their own agenda for remaining in the EU funding organised groups of anarchists to get another vote, subvert the course of democracy. The remain voters I know will feel used and ashamed that these people, these anarchists are acting in their name.

There will be a backlash....stand by!

British democracy has a disinformation problem but lacks the tools to deal with it. That is the essence of the argument made by Damian Collins, chairman of the House of Commons committee on culture, media and sport, in an interview with The Times today, and he is right. New laws, new institutions and a considerable political energy will be needed to safeguard the future of British democracy. A co-ordinated investigation with coercive powers, of the kind already in train in the United States, would be a good start.

There is now little doubt that there was some foreign interference in the EU referendum, although it is not clear how significant it was. A study by the universities of Swansea and Berkeley identified more than 150,000 Russian accounts tweeting about Brexit during the campaign, posting over 45,000 messages in its final two days. This is part of a wider pattern. Researchers at Oxford University have found evidence of social media manipulation campaigns in 48 countries in 2016-17. Already Robert Mueller, the special counsel appointed to look at the US election of 2016, has found substantial evidence of Russian meddling.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/politics-in-peril-5fh5mqsdz?shareToken=819245706cd1962bae3d9359015b66af

How can we protect out democracy if we have a People's Vote when the terms are known? The same shady forces and their friends in the media would be likely to increase their efforts to damage the UK by subverting the vote as part of a campaign to de-stabilise the West.

MaisieD.

That's a fine bit of whataboutery, nellie

At least J.D lives in this country, unlike R. Branson who moans and complains, telling certain of us how sub normal we are from the safety of his tax haven home!

James Dyson obtained huge subsidies some years ago from the government of the day and local council for a manufacturing plant to be opened Malmsbury. However, within three years, he moved all the plant we the British people had paid for out to China. That is the person James Dyson is, having no time in reality for this country, but only for himself

Well said Grandad I totally agree with you.

What you have to remember, though, crystaltipps, is that all the impact reports (and predictions by economists and business leaders) were prepared by whingeing Remoaners and so are utterly biased towards the EU; thus not giving a true analysis at all. Added to that they are prepared by experts and what do experts know? They're really just crystal ball gazers with fancy titles.

On the other hand, there are some experts who can be absolutely relied on to give a true picture because they support the Leave case. There might not be very many of them and they might be heavily critqued by those Remoaner experts but we know that they are right because they say they are. And they say that everything is going to be wonderful and Britain will be Great again and our economy will take off into the stratosphere on 30th March 2018 and our children and grandchildren will bless us and praise our names for ever for detaching us from the evil monster that is the EU.

There won't be any Remoaners after that date because they are going to all be rounded up and shot because they are traitorous unbelievers who deserve nothing better. This will immediately solve the pressure on housing, schools, hospitals etc. by reducing the population by 16million and just prove that our Leave experts were absolutely correct.

And don't bother to argue with me because my mind is absolutely made up and as facts don't exist any longer I won't believe a word you say.

All the impact reports state that economically the U.K. will be worse off- haven’t you read any of them? Even Tres Smugg says any benefits won’t happen for 50 years ( apart from wealthy speculators like him of course)

Crystalball?

Crystaltipps. “London voted remain because they thought they would be worse off” and yes they will be worse off so no way as naive as those who maybe thought they would be better off but aren’t going to be.

How do you know this Crystaltipps?

Grandad1943
I think you'll find that James Dyson is doing more for engineering in this country than any government for a long long time.
My question is James Dyson stupid was in response to once again (yawn) leavers being called stupid

Grandad1943
Petra, if you had read though the post thoroughly you would have seen I was responding to another poster who had stated that Frankfurt could not take over the financial roll that London now holds because of their broardband speeds
I think you were replying to me as i was the first person to mention the German broardband speeds.
You dispute this even though the information came from a German website.

You're are entitled to your opinion. Yes there is to be a new technology centre close by primarily to train future budding engineers. The local school has a science and technology department completely funded by JD. Alkzeimer research has him as a major contributor, so to say that he contributes nothing to society is simply not true. It's a pity that more entrepreneurs can't be more public spirited.

nigglynellie, it is very true. It was many years ago but one of my brother's sons was working at the factory when they were informed that production was being transferred to China.

The research an development plant now stands on the site of the production factory I believe, and he is planning to expand that from what he stated on a recent BBC interview.

Never the less, I am one amongst many others who will never buy a Dyson appliance after the subsidies he received and what he did to the employees in that factory at that time

Quite frankly, he can stuff anything he designs long into the future as far as I and many others are concerned who remember that period.

Not true Granddad! We live near Malmesbury, and the Dyson factory is alive and well, mostly for R&D, but also for sales, (I bought a rechargeable at this factory last March) repairs, (I took mine there for repair two years ago). The service was second to none, the repair executed under guarantee without any proof of purchase, and ready for collection within four days.
James Dyson has contributed several million pounds to our local hospital for the new cancer wing, which is of particular interest to us personally as well as other local contributions.
Around here, he is very well thought of especially by the people who work for him.

James Dyson obtained huge subsidies some years ago from the government of the day and local council for a manufacturing plant to be opened Malmsbury. However, within three years, he moved all the plant we the British people had paid for out to China. That is the person James Dyson is, having no time in reality for this country, but only for himself.

Did anyone see the MD of Brompton Bikes on the news this morning?
They make 45,000 of this wonderful British invention and export 80% to the world ( outside the eu)
He voted to leave, I wouldn't call him stupid.
Would anyone call James Dyson stupid?

“London voted remain because they thought they would be worse off” and yes they will be worse off so no way as naive as those who maybe thought they would be better off but aren’t going to be.

What you are talking about Grandad1943 is factual information and warnings from people who know exactly what they are talking about, people who have many years experience of trading across borders and within the EU.

This will all be dismissed by the head-in-the-sand brexiters as "project fear" and these people will be dismissed as "experts" and "we all know the British people have had enough of experts"

How on earth can any kind of sense prevail against such stupidity?

The Road Haulage Industry does not unfortunately have the same options as the finance industry and that is a situation that may well affect every one of us if a customs agreement is not in place on Brexit

petra Quote[Grandad1943
Do you seriously think that I believe the city is as good as it is because of its good broadband speed? Words fail me. You really do have a weird view of people's opinions.] End Quote

Petra, if you had read through the posts thoroughly you would have seen I was responding to another poster who had stated that Frankfurt could not take over the financial roll that London now holds because of their broadband speeds.

There is much more to London than broadband speeds, as their is much more incentive for companies to consider leaving due to Brexit.

Some banks and traders mentioned in this thread as investing further in the city have already relocated quite a number of their most senior staff to Frankfurt to make preparations should they decide to leave once the Brexit situation is clarified, if ever this bungling government is able to carry that out before next March.

joelsnan
I wonder why the rest of the world has no issue trading through London but the eu will
I think is as simple as: the little green eyed monster, particularly from France. They've always wanted the prestige that goes with it but they're just not good enough.

Grandad1943
Do you seriously think that I believe the city is as good as it is because of its good broadband speed? Words fail me. You really do have a weird view of people's opinions.

"Day6, the reason the banks and other financiers have not "packed up and left yet" is undoubtedly because Britain has not left Europe yet."

Well, they haven't got long, have they? They have had plenty of time to prepare, seek new premises, new staff, new specialists, planning consent, new training schemes and resources.....and shouldn't they have warned their staff a move is imminent?

I am not saying it won't happen, but since the referendum not a lot has changed, despite terrifying predictions of doom and gloom appearing every ten minutes for the last two years from Remain camps. Pessimism has reigned - not a 'wait and see' mantra.

Most of us know Remainers have been eagerly looking for a 'told you so' awful outcome - an almost traitorous desire to see the UK flounder disastrously. It's been shocking. It's still alive and kicking in some quarters.

Day6 Quote[ Clutching at straws about secure transactions does not take away from the fact that all the hysteria about financiers packing up and leaving - a certainty according to most Remainers - just hasn't happened.] End quote.

Day6, the reason the banks and other financiers have not "packed up and left yet" is undoubtedly because Britain has not left Europe yet.

Just as there is no crisis in the Road Transport industry as yet because there are no checks at the ports as of yet.

However, the leaders of both the finance industry and the Road Haulage Industry are both advising on what they believe in their experience will happen in the event of a hard Brexit.

People either listen to them or they do not. You take your choice.