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Likely consequenses of brexit

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varian Tue 03-Jul-18 20:40:02

If brexit happens, as I fear it probably will, the consequences, both intended and unintended, are likely to damage this country to an unprecedented extent.

As it is the most important political issue of our times, I believe we should continue to discuss it on GN, but we must be prepared for a continuence of the blind unreasoning dogma we have had so far from the little band of brexitextreemists on GN who will just keep their fingers in their ears.

Even so, I think it is important to continue to seek out the truth. We owe it to our children and grandchildren.

Jalima1108 Sun 08-Jul-18 12:19:32

Yes you are correct Nigglynellie, I am actually a spy from Mumsnet aged 20 yrs old
You're a very young mummy Bridgeit!

lemongrove Sun 08-Jul-18 13:00:49

Grandad1943 I am going to call out your posts as absolute bollocks!
Where are the ‘hard line hard Brexit’ forum members?
Since you don’t know us, and a few Leave members have already said they are ok with what T May has proposed, you cannot possibly assume anything at all.
nigglynellie has never uttered anything for you to say thst she and others are ‘ selfish hard line Brexiters’ it’s all in your mind.
I would say that it is you who enjoys writing personal
attacks, saying that niggly and others dream of a white faced Britain, without knowing the first thing about anyone on here, and implying racism, when leaving the EU has sod all to do with preferring white faces, since Europeans do have white faces!
I find many if your posts to GN members, insulting, condescending and deeply unpleasant.
Am surprised Brid that you are giving a thumbs up to such tosh.

NfkDumpling Sun 08-Jul-18 13:06:46

I think as far as Grandad 1943 is concerned, all Leave voters are Hard Line Brexiteers.

lemongrove Sun 08-Jul-18 13:08:29

....and before anyone asks, as long as we leave the EU I don’t
Mind a soft Brexit at all, whatever is the best for Britain and what the cabinet and then Parliament can agree on.

Grandad1943 Sun 08-Jul-18 13:38:58

Lemon, you ask how do I know who on these forums are hard-line Brexitiers. I would answer that quite simply as anyone else can by looking back at their past posts in regard to Britain leaving the European Union, as simple as that.

I will ignore your expletives in regard to me and my post, as once more it demonstrates that when challenged by straightforward questions Brexit supporters fail to give answers as they have no answers to give. They instead resort to personal attacks as your above post so well demonstrates. Pathetic

Anyway, we are off to a barbecue. I will inform the forum of that before somebody of accuses me of not responding.

lemongrove Sun 08-Jul-18 13:42:57

Rubbish!

nigglynellie Sun 08-Jul-18 13:46:17

Lemon, that's exactly how I feel! I am glad that something has been agreed at least at cabinet level that hopefully can be built on elsewhere. Obviously there has to be a compromise and as you say, no one on here has suggested a hard brexit, in fact we have said umpteen times our reasons for wishing to leave and we cannot be expected to keep repeating or explaining ourselves particularly to those who clearly don't want to listen.
I do take exception to being likened to a little Englander, and (we won the war!) Well, there are those on here who will know that sneery comments of this nature are for me the proverbial red rag! The War is my Achilles heel, and I tend to be over sensitive so if I over reacted then I apologise. However that does not mean that I hate Europeans, (Germans?!!) in fact quite the opposite. I was brought up in a spirit of peace and reconciliation, culminating in the visits to and from Germany in the late 1950's/early 60's with some wonderful friends, all of whom had had a pretty dreadful war one way or the other - we weren't the only ones!
I dislike and distrust the EU, not Europe or its people!

lemongrove Sun 08-Jul-18 13:52:57

Exactly niggly but the xenophobia/racist card is played by some on GN because it suits their agenda.

Allygran1 Sun 08-Jul-18 14:46:03

Greta, again you are speaking for others. You may see "Tories" used daily, but it is still ancient. If my post intrigues you try engaging with it, instead of attacking me.

Allygran1 Sun 08-Jul-18 14:47:34

Grandad what do you mean by "hard line Brexiteers". What in your mind, makes someone a "hard line Brexiteer"?

Allygran1 Sun 08-Jul-18 14:51:03

So right Lemon when presented with information and facts some people ceases to engage with the topic and the personal attacks start.

Allygran1 Sun 08-Jul-18 14:55:29

Well said Nigglynellie, well said.

Allygran1 Sun 08-Jul-18 15:03:12

Welsh wife. Leave the European Union17,410,742

This was the majority vote.

Allygran1 Sun 08-Jul-18 15:16:30

Greta, I should also say that this was not me.

You said to allygran1,
"I think your comments to Bridgeit are pretty outrageous. One thing Life has taught me is never to presume anything."

No apology necessary. Just pointing out your mis identification of the poster.

Bridgeit Sun 08-Jul-18 15:27:03

Varian , to get back to the original topic of your thread In response to your statement, I can only say that we may seek out the truth, we may all think we have the right opinions ,& solutions we also may also beleive that we have superior insight as to the outcome of Brexit, but the fact is we don’t, there will be initial direct effects & there will be unforeseen consequences, it is going to be a work in Progress for many years to come . All of our comments, beliefs & expectations will be of little consequence to what the future actually holds ,as always history will show who was right or wrong. Be being right or wrong will be of little comfort by then.

MaizieD Sun 08-Jul-18 15:56:41

@ally

Welsh wife. Leave the European Union17,410,742
This was the majority vote.

But Welshwife was correcting the post that said the majority (not the majority vote) was 17 million+. Which, of course, it wasn't. The 'majority' being the difference between the higher and the lower count. Which was about 1 million.

You may see "Tories" used daily, but it is still ancient.

Indeed it is, ally. I could bore you all with an account of its origins in the early 18th C, but I won't. however, like many even more ancient words, it is still in common usage (often with much the same meaning as its original meaning). Perhaps you need to widen your reading...

I do find it amusing that you feel it necessary to answer each individual post with words of encouragement or admonition

Like you're going through and correcting everyone's homework... grin

Welshwife Sun 08-Jul-18 16:56:45

Perhaps we should bring back Whigs too -but I suppose we would need to add on something for the Democrat bit!

Bridgeit Sun 08-Jul-18 17:00:36

Nail on Head,MaizeD

Allygran1 Sun 08-Jul-18 17:03:01

Maize, and Brid. Spoiling for a fight today are we! Your not going to get your 'sport' from me girly's! Don't bother.

jura2 Sun 08-Jul-18 17:06:40

not very sporty of you indeed, and certainly not much fun - oh dear, oh dear. Desperation indeed.

Sad.

MaizieD Sun 08-Jul-18 17:10:05

Maize, and Brid. Spoiling for a fight today are we?

Of course not, ally. Just amusing ourselves. grin

Bridgeit Sun 08-Jul-18 17:11:38

It’s just so pathetic Allygran1, just let it go , you dont need to police us all, just concentrate on yourself , we all end up being side tracked & it’s all getting tedious, I’m even bored with myself, so perhaps we should all get back to the topic

Bridgeit Sun 08-Jul-18 17:32:06

Well Varian to get back to your topic,
It has to be one of the worst decisions in history to have held a referendum on such an emotive situation without Real Facts, we have taken a vote based on supposition, empirical roulette, and a tidal wave of patriotism discontent & unfounded concerns.Cold hard facts are what we needed. Cold hard facts are what we will now have to live with, as always there will be winners & losers, no change there then , same ball different game ,or same game different ball.

GillT57 Sun 08-Jul-18 18:01:07

Allyg. I am not a trade unionist and not a Labour party voter. The comparison made was about the relevant percentages needed to have a valid vote.

varian Sun 08-Jul-18 19:49:53

I am not particularly optimistic about this latest development. Surely Theresa May should have had a workable proposal agreed by her cabinet before she triggered Article 50?

It looks as if the brexiteers might be relying on the EU27 to turn it down, then try to force us off the cliff edge.