Likely consequenses of brexit

I don't know about Maizie and Bridgeit spoiling for a fight, but lemon has turned into a bit of a potty mouth . Perhaps the Brexit plan isn't going as some want. Well, dearie, maybe you will just have to get over it as you never fail to tell those of us who voted to Remain.

From Maizie to Ally
"I do find it amusing that you feel it necessary to answer each individual post with words of encouragement or admonition

Like you're going through and correcting everyone's homework... grin"
Reminds me of St. Theresa's Independent State Grammar School for Girls (and Boys.). In Private Eye.

Oh yes Fennel, a fine publication!

Gill....reading rubbish posted by disgruntled Remainers would make anyone fed up, so dearie you and anyone else will just have to put up ( suck it up) with my comments.
Brexit is just fine, am not at all bothered by the soft/ hard
Etc.

Even though a soft Brexit is being touted, after the Cabinet meeting, that still isn’t good enough for some.
Since there won’t be another public vote, this is surely enough to satisfy most......if the EU agree to it.
If they won’t, then we will just have to leave.
We can’t actually twist the EU arms,and they have already been intransigent over everything else.

can't you see it is all engineered to lead to leave with no deal. The EU just cannot agree to what s proposed, plain cherry picking. If they do, they will also have to agree to Switzerland cherry picking and so on...

Changed thread?

So David Davis has resigned.
"It (May's plan) will leave us in a weak negotiating position"
I don't think Davis is much of a loss but will other cabinet ministers follow? Will there be a coup against May now? What will Boris do?

What will Gove do? It's said he's lined up to replace Davis. Boris may have finally ruled himself out of any chance of becoming Tory leader because of his Flashman like behaviour. Not so the Govester. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could spit but, he's redeemed himself in his current role, having done his best to destroy Justice and education. He's such a self serving little creep - he still wants to be Leader. Theresa needs to wear a stab proof vest if she's daft enough to think she can let him any closer to her and stay standing.

Ah but no doubt his performance on Andrew Marr show yesterday scored him points.
Declarations of support - but did you notice his fingers crossed behind his back?

Is that the same David Davis who said that this would be the easiest negotiation in history?

I can just imagine MG ringing up DD and encouraging him to resign - ‘go on Dave, we’re all behind you, we’ll go next’

Yes, the same David Davis Varian. I shudder at the thought of Gove, he is a snake of the first order and not to be trusted as he has shown in the past, a real back stabber. He has of course got the Daily Mail on side, well his wife at least.

Actually, I think I am wrong. It wasn't David Davis but Liam Fox who said the EU trade deal after Brexit should be 'easiest in history' to get

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/20/liam-fox-uk-eu-trade-deal-after-brexit-easiest-human-history

Sorry David Davis, I realise you couldn't have thought it was that easy as you spent a whole 4 hours this year in discussion with the EU negotiator Michel Barnier.

www.ft.com/content/9e3aacf0-7b9c-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720d

Since there won’t be another public vote, this is surely enough to satisfy most......if the EU agree to it.
I would have thought so lemongrove - although sometimes, trying to please both sides means ending up pleasing no-one.

Several people I have spoken to who voted Brexit said that they were very happy with the Common Market but not with further and further political integration; they had no wish to cut ties completely.
That is why so many were in a dilemma at the time and put so much thought into their vote.

I would not rule out another vote. On The Daily Politics today, Conservative MP, Dr Phillip Lee who resigned from the government because of the brexitshambles, pointed out that the EU position on immigration and freedom of movement is evolving and is likely to change in the near future.

He said that if the government now has an agreed position, it is rather late in the process and the next step is to start negotiating with the EU. (Of course the government's own proposals should have been agreed before Article 50 was triggered and we are now very short of time)

His suggestion was that Article 50 should now be suspended until such time that the detailed terms of both leaving and remaining are known, at which point there should be a People's Vote with the option of leaving or remaining in the EU.

Unsurprisingly, because he was heavily outnumbered by the brexiters amongst the guests, he was shouted down, but I thought he was the only one to make sense.

His suggestion was that Article 50 should now be suspended until such time that the detailed terms of both leaving and remaining are known,

That's a bit too sensible really.. (Of course, it should have been done before we invoked A50)

There are doubts about the EU agreeing to extend A50. On the one hand, it gives them (and the UK) more time to prepare for the final deal, or crash out, but on the other hand, elections to the EU parliament take place in June 2019 and our seats have already been reallocated. So would the current UK MEPs stay on as supernumeraries or would we have to have MEP elections too and the 'reallocation' be deferred?

Aaah, an answer to my question, ffrom twitter via Richard North's blog comments:

"Nicolai von Ondarza
@NvOndarza
The EU has taken the decision on how to distribute the EP seats, see here:http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-7-2018-REV-1/en/pdf …

If A50 is extendend (by unanimity), that new distribution will automatically be postponed until the eventual formal UK exit.

10:29 AM - Jul 9, 2018"

Theresa May said today that Article 50 would not be suspended, but then she has had to contradict herself on many ocassions.

hey what could go wrong - just chill. Footie on Wednesday ... no worries.

Theresa May also said she would not call a GE as we know. I am beginning to feel sorry for her, surrounded by backstabbers and people looking after their own interests first. She is certainly the best of a bad lot; Gove anyone?

Yep, same here re TM.

But....I do worry jura, after all, Croatia are a good team!

Lemongrove, cautious optimism is always a good thing, even as footy supporters.

Lemongrove, your post:lemongrove Sun 08-Jul-18 20:45:57
Just read it, and could not agree more.

The Cabinet once again having collective responsibility, meant inevitably that the committed hard Brexit Ministers, would have to resign and will work for Brexit on the back benches. This back stop is good just in case the PM is tempted to get us back into the EU via the back door, as someone said today in Parliament, "making us a satellite of the EU". Although I have to say I do not sense that the PM is being duplicitous. The White Paper will be out this week, that will give a better idea of the UK position outlined by the PM today.

PM repeated today, no single market, no customs union and no free movement, and no hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic to honour the Belfast agreement. We can only see what happens next.