Likely consequenses of brexit

Of course, anyone with a memory and a bit of insight will remember what Brexit, and the exception re Financial Services is quite simply about:

www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/the-brexit-undertones-of-the-eus-impending-anti-tax-avoidance-legislation/21/06/

as most Tories are linked to all the big financial firms, like Mrs May's husband and the rest.

Next Wednesday Lemon. England v Croatia, should be a great match.

GillT57. The referendum was advisory, and the Government took the advise of around 17.5 million British people from across political divides. In there would have been some Union members who voted leave as well no doubt. Why is it Gill that because you, as a remain voter was not in the majority that you have to try to diminish Brexit the only and easy way you can by making it look like those who voted leave have been fooled. Let me tell you that I for one and all those I know who voted Leave, including those on Gransnet "News and Politics Forum" as far as I can see from post's, not only fully understand the reasons they voted to get out of the EU system they also understand the importance of moving into the twenty first century, rather than being stuck in the past.

The EU is strangling individuality, has embedded itself: an undemocratic, unelected, corporate, capitalist system, into each Country that they have ensnared using access to a single market.

The people that have seen through the EU, and realise it has become a protectionist contradiction to the reason why it was formed are the leave voter's. Why would you allow the future of up and coming generations to be threatened by tying yourself to a failing system? The European Project has gone into reverse, and created old divisions, the very thing it was formed to eliminate. It is causing divide by control, not of the "jack boot" as was feared in 1945 but of eurocratic institutionalised rigidity, regulations and top heavy un elected control, based on entrapment and fettered Country's..

The cost to this Country as the third largest contributor to the 27 other Country's is based on a seven year payment system. Thankfully, we did not join the euro, thankfully Margaret Thatcher negotiated a rebate that still stands. The other issue you as a Trade Unionist should be concerned about is, that the EU, in so much as the EEA Country's are moving to both the far left and the far right, with some of these polarised political opinions even sharing Government of their Country's in three instances to challenge the EU directives, regulations and controls. Five Country's considered to be on the brink of financial failure, If Italy goes bust as it is likely to do, plus Greece, the Euro fails. Greece is being kept afloat, but the EU cannot keep Italy afloat, it would bring the Euro down.

Don't you think it is irresponsible to distance yourself from all this. High unemployment, unrest, mass movement of legal migrants causing pressure and high unbalanced numbers of people overloading infrastructures, and all services, including Education, creating poor living conditions, social unrest and as I said high unemployment figures.

When the UK leave the EU, other Country's are already saying they will not pay more in to compensate for lost income to the EU, no doubt the EU will find some other ruse to make money out of them to pay the high wages of the eurocrats. Just one years pension for one eurocrat would buy a small mansion and their annual salary a life style that you and I could only imagine.

Take a look behind the swish buildings, the marshall looking flag arrangements reminiscent of an old Europe. The so called 'parliamentary' chamber that makes the EU look democratic. Take a look behind who the Commissioners are. Take a look at the mass waste of money, just one instance moving buildings, moving country's even every month to please France, what! That is just the tip of the iceberg. Take a peek, even do some research and lift the EU curtain to see what is really behind it before you criticise the leave voters.

Jura2 what evidence do you have to support your statement.
"One Referendum was on the basic idea, without any detail, massive lies, misinformation and fraudulently run. and won by a tiny majority".

Since the referendum we have also had a General Election and put a Government and Opposition in Parliament that both stood on a Brexit support mandate.

Let us get this straight 17.5 million people is not a 'tiny majority". That was then, and in the General Election although the Conservatives lost seats, Theresa May had the largest increase in share of the vote for forty years. She stood for election on a hard brexit platform.

"jura2 Sat 07-Jul-18 21:01:43
Of course, anyone with a memory and a bit of insight will remember what Brexit, and the exception re Financial Services is quite simply about:

www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/the-brexit-undertones-of-the-eus-impending-anti-tax-avoidance-legislation/21/06/"

Jura2,
This article link is not news. The writer is speculating on two things, and adding two and two and coming up with 22.

Find something that actually proves that Camerons referendum announcement coincided with and was driven by the EU tax directive? I will be very surprised if you can really connect the two.

The referendum had been promised for over a year before the EU directive on tax. The conditions for the referendum were clear long before that directive. What a cobbled together sensational example of Fake News.

You also throw some mud at Mrs May's husband. You say: "as most Tories are linked to all the big financial firms, like Mrs May's husband and the rest".

How do you know what Mr May votes Jura2? Why do you assume even presume to know that all those who work in "big financial firms" are actually "Tories"? The name is Conservative and Unionist's not 'Tories" that is a word not used officially for over a century.

How many thousands of brokers, commodities dealers etc work in the 'big financial institutions". How can you possibly make a statement that all those people who work in banks, investment houses, brokerage firms, are all Conservative and Unionist voters, or as you anciently refer to them "Tories".
Such shocking generalisations.

We have a friend who is a retired stock broker, he lives in a semi in West Yorkshire. No, I don't know what he votes!

Luckylegs9 Sat 07-Jul-18 16:39:56

Just read your post. Could not agree more.

We need a “Like” button.

Let us get this straight it was NOT a majority of 17 million - that was the TOTAL vote! The majority was 1 million as 16 million voted to remain - then of course there were the people not allowed to vote for various reasons.

The two main party's went into the general election on a Brexit mandate. If the country was by then having second thoughts, how is that the voting public didn't flock to the Lib Dems who were the only party of any substance who were firmly for Remain?!

As you were here on Gnet at the time of the GE, nellie and, a regular poster in this forum, you must have been aware that the choice offered to voters at the GE comprised more, much, much more, than the single issue of Brexit. And that posters' concerns and choices reflected that. It was pretty comprehensively discussed at the time.

This pathetic attempt by Leavers to kid themselves that a vote for Labour was a vote for Brexit (which they've been nurturing ever since the GE) just seems like a further indication that they care very little about the pressing social issues which are adversely affecting a significant number of the UK's population. Otherwise they might be able to understand that a vote for Labour was far more nuanced.

There would seem to be some forum members who still believe that a " hard Brexit" would still be the best option for Britain on leaving the EU. However, these members seem not to accept or realise that there is no majority in Parliament for Britain to leave the European Union in such a manner. Therefore, a hard Brexit will not happen in any way for the foreseeable future.

It would also seen that those who dream of Britain leaving the European Union in the above manner never demonstrate a word of concern for those tens of thousands of people now desperately worried in regard to their future employment in such industries as aerospace, car production, heavy engineering and many other industries that would be decimated if frictionless border trade is not maintained.

These" fingers in ears" and "head in the sand" Brexitiers seem only to dream of a return to a white-faced Britain where a 1960s BBC announcer English is still spoken by all. However, that Britain disappeared many decades ago and will not be returning. Present-day Britain is part of a European wide trading partnership where jobs are interrelated through all 28 member states.

Therefore, it is time that those on this forum which wish to see a hard Brexit demonstrated concern for those worried in regard to their future employment prospects and also explained how those jobs are to be maintained in some certain manner outside of wishful or hopeful thinking?

Excellent Post Grandad1943, Heads in the cloud, feet in Little (we won the war) England ,very scary

Sorry Grandad, you can't dictate to people on here what they should or should not explain to you or anyone else. You're not in your office on here and your dictatorial manner holds no sway whatsoever, as others before you have learned no matter how hard they tried. All that happens is that people who are bullied seldom give in to it they just don't post anymore, which makes it a pointless excersise!

Honestly Bridgeit what a pathetic post. It's nothing to do with the war, which you clearly know nothing about and were obviously not even remotely affected by. Had you been, you might just mock less and perhaps not use it as a means to sneer. On the other hand YOU might not!!

Nightly, you know nothing about me or what I know or don’t know, if you don’t like my opinion fine but that is all you know which is my opinion how arrogant can you be !

To Niggly not. ,nightly

nigglynellie, I am not dictating anything or trying to bully anyone. I am stating what I believe the selfish hard line Brexitiers on this forum and in other places want, and requesting that they express some concern for the employment of those who would devastatingly affected if the wishes of those Brexitiers came about.

However nigglynellie, as usual, the Brexit people dodge the real questions when asked of them and once again engage in personal attack on those who dare to ask such realistic questions.

So, nigglynellie, why do you not express some concern for those whose employment lives would be devastated in putting your outdated dream into existence.

Actually the more I think about ,I can’t believe your assumption that I know nothing about the war, do you some how know how old I am, where I have lived, what I have experienced. ????? Are you also saying that anyone who hasn’t experienced war has no right to an opinion. ??if this is your thought process then I am not surprised that we think very differently.

Well said Bridgeit.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much!!

?Grandad

Yes you are correct Nigglynellie, I am actually a spy from Mumsnet aged 20 yrs old ?

nigglynellie, I think you do not answer realistic questions about a hard Brexit because you and others of similar opinion to yourself have no answers to those realistic questions.

Therefore you hide behind personal attack on those asking those questions.

To Allygran1

You criticise Jura for using the word 'Tories' claiming it to be 'ancient'. Well, I see 'Tories' almost daily in the national press. In fact, I'm seeing it now in yesterday's The Times. Nothing ancient about it.

Your posts intrigue me; your verbosity, the sheer length of your posts and your dogmatic stance. Perhaps it is the heat that is getting to me but I just cannot follow your reasoning. Also, I don't know how much in your long posts has just been copied and pasted.

Grandad1943 does not at all come across as 'dictatorial' to me; you do.

I think your comments to Bridgeit are pretty outrageous. One thing Life has taught me is never to presume anything.