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Likely consequenses of brexit

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varian Tue 03-Jul-18 20:40:02

If brexit happens, as I fear it probably will, the consequences, both intended and unintended, are likely to damage this country to an unprecedented extent.

As it is the most important political issue of our times, I believe we should continue to discuss it on GN, but we must be prepared for a continuence of the blind unreasoning dogma we have had so far from the little band of brexitextreemists on GN who will just keep their fingers in their ears.

Even so, I think it is important to continue to seek out the truth. We owe it to our children and grandchildren.

NfkDumpling Wed 18-Jul-18 05:44:31

Actually, the population is nearer 66 million now - but 17.3% are under 15 years old. Perhaps that’s why they didn’t vote.

lemongrove Tue 17-Jul-18 22:47:17

Oh dear, can’t take any more hilarity, off to watch tv.

varian Tue 17-Jul-18 22:39:58

Only meaningless if you deny the facts.

lemongrove Tue 17-Jul-18 22:38:07

But meaningless ones! grin

varian Tue 17-Jul-18 22:36:41

There are no made up figures. Out of about 65 million folk living in the country in 2016, about 17 million voted leave. Therefore about 48 million did not. We make no assumptions just state the actual fjgures.

jura2 Tue 17-Jul-18 22:34:04

Agreed lemongrove. the Ministry of silly words indeed. Thanks.

jura2 Tue 17-Jul-18 22:33:32

Yes, you did know that you wanted to leave the EU - YOU did- but many refused to vote without understanding the issues- which makes sense to me, if not to you.

You knew you wanted to leave the EU- but no-one, not even the Government, could know what it would mean in real life. And not even you ...

lemongrove Tue 17-Jul-18 22:29:21

joelsnan grin it’s like something from Monty Python.

Joelsnan Tue 17-Jul-18 22:27:38

Goodness me there are two or three people on here who (if they aren’t already) should go into dodgy accountancy. Their fantasy figuring is amazing!

lemongrove Tue 17-Jul-18 22:26:44

No it doesn’t Welshwife ( although this conversation is giving me a laugh I must say) anyone who has died since the referendum, both leave and remain voters do count.
You cannot deduct anyone.grin

lemongrove Tue 17-Jul-18 22:24:10

I have to pick you up on that jura as I knew exactly what I was voting for, to leave the EU.
We were not voting for the manner in which we left, that was up to the government’s negotiators to get the best deal possible in order for us to leave.
You can only count the people who had the vote and actually used it, anything else is nonsense.

Welshwife Tue 17-Jul-18 22:20:55

Lots of people of the older age group who if they did vote probably voted Leave according to the statistics have passed away — so that number needs to be deducted from the 17 million!

jura2 Tue 17-Jul-18 22:15:23

Do you get that many did not vote, because they didn't know what they were supposed to vote for? Because they had NO idea what it would mean for the UK, in real terms, in real life ... just like you did not either.

Apart from that, 1000s of older voters have died, 1000s of young voters who could not vote, woud now be able to vote. 1000s of UK citizens abroad, who pay taxes in the UK and have contributed all their lives could not vote - and many more.

lemongrove Tue 17-Jul-18 22:08:36

Varian.....sorry but am laughing at your made up figures,
So those idlers watching tv instead of going out to vote didn’t vote for Brexit?They didn’t vote for Remain either!
They didn’t vote at all.Neither did those too young to have a vote.
You can only count the people who actually voted grin
In any election/ referendum.
Do you get it now?

varian Tue 17-Jul-18 21:58:17

I assume nothing. I only restate the fact that there were 65 million people living in the UK in 2016 and about 17 million voted to leave so 48 million did not vote to leave.

Joelsnan Tue 17-Jul-18 21:41:24

varian
But you presume that all those who didnt vote were remainers. for all we know the majority may have voted leave.

varian Tue 17-Jul-18 21:05:14

2016

varian Tue 17-Jul-18 20:53:08

I have never claimed that all these folk voted Remain. They did not. But it is true that 48 million people who lived in the UK in 2015 did not vote for brexit.

varian Tue 17-Jul-18 20:51:34

No, you are wrong. 48 million people living in the UK in 2016 did not vote for brexit.

Smileless2012 Tue 17-Jul-18 20:47:51

No varian, just over 16 million didn't vote for Brexit. To state that 48 million didn't vote for Brexit when that includes those who didn't bother to vote, those not eligible to vote, those who were disenfranchised and "quite a lot of British citizens living in the EU" is grossly misleading.

So let's get this right shall we. The number of people who didn't vote for Brexit was 16 million 141 thousand and 241.
It could just as easily and ridiculously be claimed that 48 million didn't vote remain.

varian Tue 17-Jul-18 20:27:17

There were approximately 65 million people living in the UK in 2016. About 17 million voted for brexit. About 48 million did not vote for brexit.

Joelsnan Tue 17-Jul-18 20:24:02

MaizieD
In your bubble, maybe. 48% of her constituents voted Remain; maybe she's not as endangered as you'd like to think

Actually, according to the Twitterati, not me, I have no interest in her, but considering she was democratically elected to parliament using the same voting principals applied to the referendum i find her actions difficult to understand. Surely those who cannot represent their constituents when they give a democratically achieved result should resign...or is it too cushy a number?

varian Tue 17-Jul-18 20:22:58

48 million folk living in the UK in 2016 who did not vote for brexit - some chose not to vote, some were too young (including the 16-18 year olds who were allowed to vote in the Scottish referendum), and more than 3 million EU citizens living in this country and paying taxes who were disenfranchised, along with quite a lot of British citizens living in the EU.

Smileless2012 Tue 17-Jul-18 20:21:31

No Mazie it's not 28 million eligible voters who didn't vote leave it's 28% of eligible voters who didn't bother to vote which equates to about 13 million.

Smileless2012 Tue 17-Jul-18 20:18:51

And if you were as concerned about speaking the truth as much as you claim to be varian, you would address my comments on your outrageous claim that you regularly post, that 48 million didn't vote for Brexit.