Likely consequenses of brexit

Jura2 what evidence do you have to support your statement.
"One Referendum was on the basic idea, without any detail, massive lies, misinformation and fraudulently run. and won by a tiny majority".

Since the referendum we have also had a General Election and put a Government and Opposition in Parliament that both stood on a Brexit support mandate.

Let us get this straight 17.5 million people is not a 'tiny majority". That was then, and in the General Election although the Conservatives lost seats, Theresa May had the largest increase in share of the vote for forty years. She stood for election on a hard brexit platform.

GillT57. The referendum was advisory, and the Government took the advise of around 17.5 million British people from across political divides. In there would have been some Union members who voted leave as well no doubt. Why is it Gill that because you, as a remain voter was not in the majority that you have to try to diminish Brexit the only and easy way you can by making it look like those who voted leave have been fooled. Let me tell you that I for one and all those I know who voted Leave, including those on Gransnet "News and Politics Forum" as far as I can see from post's, not only fully understand the reasons they voted to get out of the EU system they also understand the importance of moving into the twenty first century, rather than being stuck in the past.

The EU is strangling individuality, has embedded itself: an undemocratic, unelected, corporate, capitalist system, into each Country that they have ensnared using access to a single market.

The people that have seen through the EU, and realise it has become a protectionist contradiction to the reason why it was formed are the leave voter's. Why would you allow the future of up and coming generations to be threatened by tying yourself to a failing system? The European Project has gone into reverse, and created old divisions, the very thing it was formed to eliminate. It is causing divide by control, not of the "jack boot" as was feared in 1945 but of eurocratic institutionalised rigidity, regulations and top heavy un elected control, based on entrapment and fettered Country's..

The cost to this Country as the third largest contributor to the 27 other Country's is based on a seven year payment system. Thankfully, we did not join the euro, thankfully Margaret Thatcher negotiated a rebate that still stands. The other issue you as a Trade Unionist should be concerned about is, that the EU, in so much as the EEA Country's are moving to both the far left and the far right, with some of these polarised political opinions even sharing Government of their Country's in three instances to challenge the EU directives, regulations and controls. Five Country's considered to be on the brink of financial failure, If Italy goes bust as it is likely to do, plus Greece, the Euro fails. Greece is being kept afloat, but the EU cannot keep Italy afloat, it would bring the Euro down.

Don't you think it is irresponsible to distance yourself from all this. High unemployment, unrest, mass movement of legal migrants causing pressure and high unbalanced numbers of people overloading infrastructures, and all services, including Education, creating poor living conditions, social unrest and as I said high unemployment figures.

When the UK leave the EU, other Country's are already saying they will not pay more in to compensate for lost income to the EU, no doubt the EU will find some other ruse to make money out of them to pay the high wages of the eurocrats. Just one years pension for one eurocrat would buy a small mansion and their annual salary a life style that you and I could only imagine.

Take a look behind the swish buildings, the marshall looking flag arrangements reminiscent of an old Europe. The so called 'parliamentary' chamber that makes the EU look democratic. Take a look behind who the Commissioners are. Take a look at the mass waste of money, just one instance moving buildings, moving country's even every month to please France, what! That is just the tip of the iceberg. Take a peek, even do some research and lift the EU curtain to see what is really behind it before you criticise the leave voters.

Next Wednesday Lemon. England v Croatia, should be a great match.

Of course, anyone with a memory and a bit of insight will remember what Brexit, and the exception re Financial Services is quite simply about:

www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/the-brexit-undertones-of-the-eus-impending-anti-tax-avoidance-legislation/21/06/

as most Tories are linked to all the big financial firms, like Mrs May's husband and the rest.

I have to agree with lemon , there is unlikely to be another referendum. Ever. The British electorate has shown itself to be gullible and easily fooled by liars, cheats and charlatans. Pity Cameron didn't take this into account before he so arrogantly called this referendum, didn't like the answer and ran away. Bloody man. As a member of the QT pointed out on Thursday, if this had been a Trade Union Ballot for say strike action, it would have been invalid.

Proof please - not just hearsay.

The EU is corrupt and fraudulent, perhaps they should be stripped of their authority?!!

The footie was great btw ???????⚽️?

I was just about to mention empires and the way the elite treated the slaves and peasants lemongrove

Maw but, but........this is the Brexit thread!

Some people never left the fight discussion MawBroon!

It won’t be proven though jura there isn’t a hope in hell of proving anything.
Only the HOC will have any input on the final deal.

Oh dear, the final whistle has been blown and we are back to Brexit. ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️

True!

All empires come to an end, and for the same reason, they get too big and over extend themselves.

Luckylegs, oh yes you can if it is proven, as it has officially and absolutely without doubt, that the vote was illegal and fraudulent.

Just as you can win the Tour de France, the Olympics, or anything else and be stripped of your Medal or Trophy if proven to have won illegally.

Anyhow, no one is talking about a second vote on Brexit, but on the final deal...

You're right Lemon, there was nothing we could say or do, but we should have tried!!

I don't think the EU will still exist in 10 years, transparency over their expenses has just been narrowly defeated, so 'expense' money spent can remain completely unaccountable and a good time had by all!! This will inevitably cause more muted dissent amongst the 'peasants' and a gift for the far right. The EU will eventually be the architect of its own downfall and we can and must be, well shot before that happens!

There won’t be another people’s vote jura
Anything different will be decided in Parliament.

Yes niggly Greece was treated appallingly, with nothing any EU country could do or say ( well, they could, but wouldn't have got anywhere.)

If you vote for something and you lose, you cannot do it again. I fail to see remainers logic. Democracy is precious as is our Health Service. I think in the next ten years other countries will follow our stance.

One Referendum was on the basic idea, without any detail, massive lies, misinformation and fraudulently run. and won by a tiny majority.
so a vote on the final deal would be totally fair, of course.

And if you are sure no-one has changed their mind, why are you afraid of a vote on the final deal?

Eastern European countries are deeply worried about the prospect of the UK being shut out of Galileo, and other security matters, but have been warned to toe the EU line on brexit or they will be punished financially! So much for individual countries having their say!! Why on earth would we want to stay in an organisation with the morals of the Mafia? Money is poured into poor countries, money that they can never ever begin to pay back, which loosely means that they are trapped and prevented from ever giving an opinion apart from the official one, till the end of time - just like the USSR, China, North Korea, all is well on the surface, but dissension is not tolerated and will be severely punished! obviously not by physical methods, but by financial ones!
Whatever sort of way is that to carry on? How on earth can we be complicit in that? When it was Greece pulled down into penury, we were guilty by association, and yes, I did and do feel ashamed at our perceived acquiescence. It was an awful way to treat a population, and here we go again, do as we tell you or else???? except hopefully it'll be they not we!

One referendum is enough, we can’t keep having them.
Very few people voted for the way we leave the EU in any case, just that we do leave it.
I think the UK and the EU can really get on and do a deal now.

There is a very good reason why KPMG and other top financial services are doing a lot of research into all the options ahead. To prepare for relocation if things don't work out to their advantage and that of their customers.

80% of the UK market is in services. And a massive % of the tax we need to run NHS and all the ther essential services in the UK.

So let's put it to the vote then Lemongrove ... and see

There will be much horse trading still no doubt, but Barnier must be pleased that there is now a real possibility of doing a trade deal with us.