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Likely consequenses of brexit

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varian Tue 03-Jul-18 20:40:02

If brexit happens, as I fear it probably will, the consequences, both intended and unintended, are likely to damage this country to an unprecedented extent.

As it is the most important political issue of our times, I believe we should continue to discuss it on GN, but we must be prepared for a continuence of the blind unreasoning dogma we have had so far from the little band of brexitextreemists on GN who will just keep their fingers in their ears.

Even so, I think it is important to continue to seek out the truth. We owe it to our children and grandchildren.

mostlyharmless Thu 16-Aug-18 10:17:48

Oh dear iamnot. This whole Brexit process is such a mess and only seven months to go!
Everyday we hear about new problems with Brexit.
Businesses can’t plan for next year and can’t bid for contracts because they don’t know what is going to happen.
Crazy situation.

jura2 Thu 16-Aug-18 11:16:08

This is called 'taking back control'

eg having to obey Trump's USA to get some sort of deal:

Britain must side with the USA on Iran sanctions or face the prospect of a no trade deal with America.

Tying our nation to the unpredictable whims of Trumps ‘America First’ position puts Britain in a far worse position than remaining within the European Union.

Every time a world issue comes along there will be another threat or sanction for not doing the Presidents bidding.

Brexit will weaken our status on the world stage and leave us open to such abuse in the future - and not just from the United States, but any nation with which we trade from our weakened independent status and environment.

jura2 Thu 16-Aug-18 12:53:55

www.hamhigh.co.uk/…/affect-of-a-no-deal-brexit-on-ca…

jura2 Thu 16-Aug-18 13:47:38

Apologies:

www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/politics/affect-of-a-no-deal-brexit-on-camden-and-barnet-1-5654439

Iamnotarobot Thu 16-Aug-18 15:40:33

Information about post Brexit consequences

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/why-trading-on-wto-rules-would-be-a-disaster/

Allygran1 Thu 16-Aug-18 20:56:16

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jura2 Fri 17-Aug-18 09:27:14

Not commenting is not lazy - it is survival and comon sense when faced with pages of 'cut and paste'.

Here is a brilliant quote from last weeks article by Gavin Esler, in the New European. I was not lazy, I typed it myself ;)
And I won't comment, because it says it all so well so aptly:

What is the purpose of truth and facts and news in a world of disinformation, where lying at the top has become normalised? The slippery concept of 'balance' needs to be rethought. Serious politicians and real experts cannot be 'balanced' by obscure talking heads whose main qualification is a university degree in blarney...... In the post Trump, post Brexit world .....confronting expert opinion and elected representativeson tv with articulate know-nothing non-experts of dubious provenance financed by who-knows what, is not 'balance'. It is a disservice to our people, our country, and the facts, accuracy and fairness.'

mostlyharmless Fri 17-Aug-18 09:28:04

Oh dear, lazy posting not allowed on these threads Ali g?

Whatever next!

jura2 Fri 17-Aug-18 09:31:52

When faced with such rude people - who constantly cut and paste pages and pages - best not to get involved with comments. Facts speak for themselves.

Iamnotarobot Fri 17-Aug-18 10:03:24

I’m not sure now in light if the above comment whether I can cut and paste of simply link.

Oh well

This is a report about the preparation being thought through in London
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/17/sadiq-khan-london-resilience-forum-must-prepare-no-deal-brexit-food-medicine-shortages

jura2 Fri 17-Aug-18 11:46:38

It would be helpful for GN to make a decision on copy/cut/paste. GN should make a clear decision about whether they are allowed, and put a maximum length.

Personally I think it is much better to post a link- with perhaps the most saillant point/s 'cut and pasted' up to a maximum word length. The recent pages and pages are totally unacceptable imho, from either side or anywhere in between.

POGS Fri 17-Aug-18 13:08:05

Just don't read long posts!

The sillyness of castigating those posters you don't happen to agree with but praising those you do for doing the same is simple hypocrisy .

Post as you want, ignore what you want.

jura2 Fri 17-Aug-18 13:38:07

Agreed, which is exactly why I have asked for a firm decision from GN - they should be allowed or not- and made it very clear 'from either side or anywhere in between' - no hypocrisy there.

varian Fri 17-Aug-18 13:45:56

Crashing out of the EU without a deal would be a “mistake we would regret for generations”, Jeremy Hunt has said. The foreign secretary said a no-deal Brexit would “inevitably change British attitudes towards Europe”, just a day after Latvia’s foreign minister claimed the scenario stood a 50:50 chance of coming to pass.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-no-deal-jeremy-hunt-mistake-negotiations-eu-a8495406.html

MawBroon Fri 17-Aug-18 14:15:04

Fair comment POGS
I seem to remember DurhamJen came in for a bit of criticism for posting many, many links.
Some posters cannot win and if long “cut and pastes” bothers anybody, they are under no obligation to read all the way through.
It seems to me the objection and criticism in this case have been somewhat targeted.

jura2 Fri 17-Aug-18 14:50:44

Exact, MB - targeted re those who constantly post very long 'cut and paste' - strangely enough ;) lol

MawBroon Fri 17-Aug-18 15:32:05

So you admit to picking on the posting style of those you disagree with?
I thought we eschewed ad hominem attacks and played the ball, not the player. hmm

jura2 Fri 17-Aug-18 15:55:34

Not at all- I have targeted those who do long 'cut and paste' - irrespective of whether I agree with them or not. Cut and paste do not have a personal style - that is the very issue.

petra Fri 17-Aug-18 16:35:33

I'm sure many of us heard on the news today ( several times) that Jeramy Hunt stated that * the uk will prosper outside europe*

MaizieD Fri 17-Aug-18 17:02:37

He's Foreign Sec. Petra; in the cabinet. He's hardly going to say it's going to be a complete disaster, is he?

I'd rather hear this from someone who was rather more disinterested.

mostlyharmless Fri 17-Aug-18 17:09:31

Well Jeremy Hunt has also said today in the Independent that Crashing out of the EU without a deal would be a “mistake we would regret for generations”.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-no-deal-jeremy-hunt-mistake-negotiations-eu-a8495406.html

mostlyharmless Fri 17-Aug-18 17:12:14

On Twitter:
Our Foreign Secretary has 'clarified his remarks'. when he said "Brexit would be a mistake we would regret for generations" he meant "UK would survive and prosper"

Is anyone* buying this? Which time was he LYING. Because they can't both be true. #incompetent @Jeremy_Hunt

mostlyharmless Fri 17-Aug-18 17:17:07

Probably been told to toe the party line (by May? or Mogg?) hence the sudden backtracking.

petra Fri 17-Aug-18 17:29:18

MaizieD
He didn't have to say anything. Politicians are experts in waffle when they don't want to answer a question.
But he wasn't asked a question, he volunteered that opinion.

Jalima1108 Fri 17-Aug-18 17:30:10

Just don't read long posts!
Simples as an irritating little meerkat would say

Long posts are not making any difference to the number of posts on a thread - it is still limited to 1,000, they are not taking up space in your cyber attic or hard drive - just skip if they're tltr.
I do prefer links (if you're reading durhamjen, yes, honestly!) but why try to control how some Gransnetters post by targeting them and complaining to GNHQ - unless, of course, they do not appear to be genuine posters and are trying to sell us something.