Likely consequenses of brexit

From the OP

"As it is the most important political issue of our times, I believe we should continue to discuss it on GN, but we must be prepared for a continuence of the blind unreasoning dogma we have had so far from the little band of brexitextreemists on GN who will just keep their fingers in their ears. "

If we follow the time line of when ' insults' first start I think your OP ranks right up there.

How blatent does irony become before it hits home?

German cars will still be bought by Brits they’ll just be more expensive. I wonder how many British cars are bought by Germans?

We certainly must talk about it! There will be no future for our grand children if we allow this insanity to happen. We know the campaign was illegal, it was funded by top criminals behind a Far Right movement who are taking our democracy. They will asset strip our country, we have already seen many plans for developments disappear because the money has gone abroad ( Northern Powerhouse). Big parts of the NHS sold off. Now we find about the criminality behind the referendum vote. A spending limit is set to respect our democracy but Vote Leave had no respect for that.
We must not be silenced if we want to speak about it.

It's not about "allowing it to happen." It IS going to happen.

It is going to happen because arrogant Cameron was happy to play politics with everyone and called an inappropriate referendum (after which he cut and ran with his £millions); because the "debate" prior to the referendum was conducted like a dog fight rather than a dignified provision of FACTS from economists and other experts on both sides of the debate, from which the public could make a reasoned decision; because attempts to get better deals for the UK on specific issues failed; because a large number of members of the public were sick to death of successive governments propping up bankers, speculators and rich plutocrats while subjecting everyone else to austerity measures - so they saw the referendum as a chance to give the government a bloody nose; because Cameron and his cronies were so complacent as to think that there was no need to create conditions for a referendum - e.g. minimum turn-out and margin. Basically the referendum was a massive cock-up from which there is no retreat.

No government can walk away from a publicly conducted referendum which has expressed the "will of the people." The fact that the public in general was not provided with the tools with which to make this important decision invalidates that argument; but no government is going to walk away from this.

Our membership of the EU did need to be examined critically (many citizens were deeply frustrated by some of its aspects) , like any large contract to which Britain is tied - but this should have been done by government and the qualified civil servants; having an ear to public opinion from all walks of life.

No-one had the nowse to see that the fear of terrorism was leading to a fear of immigrants and to realise what this might mean in terms of the referendum outcome.

We were stuck with an undemocratic plebiscite called for all the wrong reasons.

Add to that the monumental incompetence of the government negotiating team in relation to Brexit - particularly May who threw away our trump negotiating card when she set an end date for our exit with no offers on the table, leaving us open to a no deal situation - and it is a recipe for chaos.

But it IS going to happen.

Ohh Nigel what did you do ?! ?

Notsure I understand that Bridgeit

Ohh !I just blame Nigel Farage for everything . Couldn’t stand his stir everyone up,then cut& run ,whilst continuing to receive his salary from those he wishes us to be rid of .

On Cameron, setting fire to th fireworks and running away... Dany Dyer could not have said it better the other day... Again, I’ll add an ‘s’ ... Farage, BoJo, Gove, Rees Mogg, the lot of them. And as the descendant of Edward III he has more noble British blood than the lot of them.

This descent from Royalty is a bit of an urban myth.
If you check with genealogical sources they come up with the following

Conclusion: there is an extremely high probabilty that a modern English person with predominantly English ancestry descends from Edward III, at a very minimum over 99%, and more likely very close to 100%. The number of descendants of Edward III must therefore include nearly all of the population of England, and probably much of the populations of the rest of the UK and Eire, as well as many millions in the USA, former British colonies and Europe, so 100 million seems a conservative estimate. Documenting one's own descent from Edward III is, however, another matter
So time perhaps for a [tongue in cheek] ? emoticon.

www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/tutorials/miscellaneous/are-you-descended-royalty
Another link FYI
The 13 monarchs who reigned between 1066 and 1485 fathered at least 40 bastards between them. Henry II leads the field with around 20. Descendants of Edward III, legitimate or otherwise, are believed to be in excess of 4 millions. Some experts believe that practically everyone alive with British ancestry will have a connection with this king

MawBroon
Now i can't get 'I'm Spartacus' out of my head

well yes, the rightful heir died recently in Australia, a staunch republican sheep farmer, Habney Hastings ... his children are not interested either.

But of Royal descent, Dany said it so well on TV, for so many of us, twice...re Cameron.

Bored already.
Irrelevant.
Is that the best argument you can come up with?

Standard of debate slipping I fear.

we agree

Is that the Royal We or you and me?

oh Jalima... you are obviously not in regular contact with EU citizens, TV and Press ... or my French students or neighbours ??? (I live less than 500 m from France, metres not miles)
OMG jura - surely you don't think they'll be going to war against us post-Brexit?

oh Jalima... you are obviously not in regular contact with EU citizens
Actually jura, yes, as our relatives live in Croatia, France and Spain, they haven't said anything yet ....

But I must admit I am not in regular contact with your French students or neighbours

well yes, the rightful heir died recently in Australia
I strongly support the rightful Plantagenet heirs.
It would have been refreshing to have had a Queen Noelene

I think it is arrogant to assume that one somehow has unique insider knowledge only if one lives 500 metres from an EU member country.
The rest of us are not xenophobic bumpkins you know.
Of course as things stand those of us in the UK do in fact still live IN an EU member country.

did I mention xenophobic bumpkins?

Brexit has cost huge sums of money, time and energy...which could have been spent so much better. And the security measures, especially in ports, and in Calais, have cost massive sums, and 10s of 1000s of hours for police and CRS, highly skilled special troops, which again would have been so much better in French towns under pressure. It had caused huge uncertainties for jobs, agriculture including wine regions, research, and so much more.
So yes, my French friends, neighbours and students, are really annoyed and would be quite happy to boycott the UK, as tourists, consumers, investors, utilities providors, and so on. It makes sense that anyone in daily contact, and who reads French papers and watch French TV... is more aware of the mood, than those who are not. No arrogance, just plain common sense.

You assume others do not or are not in contact with family and friends in EU member countries.
There’s more than just France.
As I said the insight you claim may not be unique.

never said it is unique, ever.

jura2 Wed 04-Jul-18 16:42:16
oh Jalima... you are obviously not in regular contact with EU citizens, TV and Press ... or my French students or neighbours ??? (I live less than 500 m from France, metres not miles

I rest my case.

and yes, I do live in the EU, as do my relatives and friends

I thought I was in regular contact with eu citizens. If I'm wrong that means my friends/family/ neighbours are Optical illusions