Likely consequenses of brexit

We are still a democracy and we have Laws so it is still likely Brexit will not happen. The Electoral Commission found the Leave campaign illegal and that in Law means the Vote was also illegal. It is clear we lose both democracy and laws after brexit and very fast after we exit too. It was based on industrial strength lies. Women's rights are high on the list of being struck off by Theresa May , they cost employers a great deal . We have to listen carefully to the words of the politicians and not the propaganda words of pressure groups who want to make this country into a tax haven. If it happens there will be no money for public services, NHS, utilities, green issues, all that is propaganda. Whoever is in government will not be able to raise enough revenue to run the country. Thousands of jobs are already disappearing, shopping precincts closing down because people do not have money. The rich will take their (and our) money abroad to invest for themselves. Like other countries in trouble because of the greedy far right our Government will have to use peoples savings, pensions and trusts to plug holes that used to be raised through taxes. We have come full circle, from the poor man of Europe to a thriving and fair economy and now heading back to one of the poorest countries in the Western world. Through an advisory referendum which was highjacked by Theresa May to her own little dictatorship.

As most of us Grannies are also Mums we should try to keep in touch with the opinions of younger Mums on Mumsnet. It is really worth reading this long thread on brexit.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3289666-Westministers-Operation-Over-The-Cliff?pg=38

You will see very little support for any kind of brexit on Mumsnet.

Then they really need to come to terms with it.

I can’t quitebring myself yo read even a shortbthread on Mumsnet, preferring to get my facts from people who know about the economy, business and other aspects of our political shenanigans.
Sorry, that sounds more dismissive than I meant it to be, but judging by twitter and Facebook there are a lot of people out there with plenty of opinions but very little knowledge.

Oh must be the heat, “short thread” !

But shortbread is good too Maw ....as long as you can stick to one or two ( impossible!)

I normally agree with you Maw, but not on this point. Mumsnetters are on the whole intelligent women, many of whom do have knowledge and experience of the economy, business and other aspects of our political shenanigans.

You might be surprised to learn about their careers and responsibilities. I think they represent a thoughtful, well informed section of British society, concerned for their children's future, and the future of our country and their views should be heard.

I have three intelligent women and their equally intelligent men all with successful and high powered careers involving working in and with the EU but also Japan and China in my own family.
I do know what they and others are thinking.. and worry with them about the consequences of the current omnishambles.

I agree with their verdict -omnishambles

I love the link Varian.
Yes "no deal" should mean Remain not cliff edge.

Then they really need to come to terms with it.

If you'd been following the Westminstenders threads for the past, two years as I have, you wil find that many of the intelligent, highly skilled and working contributors to the threads have 'come to terms' with it. They have taken, or are planning to take, their skills, expertise and contributions to the UK treasury, by way of the taxes on their good incomes and their purchases, off to EU countries to work and live in.

These are the people whose taxes are providing our state pensions and any related benefits, BTW.

Jalima, my apologies, hd no idea you lived on Continental EU. However, your statement that neither of your family, friends or neighbours, have not discussed or mentionned Brexit, is tbh, totally incrdible.

Unless, as we do with some family and people we know, it has become a taboo they know they can’t discuss with you... for fear of consequences.

They really have to come to terms with what lemongrove, that they live in a. orrupt country where elections nd referendums are not only run on massive lies, and are proven to have been so fraudulently? If that is the kind of ‘take back control’ you would like, I truly can’t blame mums whose lives will be the most affected, and that of their children, to refuse to come to terms with it. I won’t either.

Is continental Europe the only Europe?
This is a mystifying post, Jura 2

Jalima, my apologies, hd no idea you lived on Continental EU. However, your statement that neither of your family, friends or neighbours, have not discussed or mentionned Brexit, is tbh, totally incrdible.

Unless, as we do with some family and people we know, it has become a taboo they know they can’t discuss with you... for fear of consequences.

Your post has left me completely flummoxed, jura - I have no idea what you are talking about as I never said any of the above.

Why should discussing Brexit be a taboo with my relatives, friends and neighbours? Although I must admit that, as someone who voted Remain, I am often outnumbered by the very intelligent, well-educated, high-achieving and articulate Brexiters amongst my neighbours.

I think this is what Jalima said in response to your (mis) apprehension that she could possibly have had contact with anybody outside what you clearly perceive as the U.K. bubble.
Actually jura, yes, as our relatives live in Croatia, France and Spain, they haven't said anything yet ....

ps - I have friends and relatives living on Continental Europe (I forgot to include Germany and Italy) but I don't live there myself.

We discussed this, too, when we visited Australia last year - many people, even strangers, seemed to be interested and, of course, so many people there have family still living in Continental Europe.

But I must admit I am not in regular contact with your French students or neighbours
I am not, however, in regular contact with your French students or neighbours^ jura, as I don't know them.

As petra said so succinctly:
I thought I was in regular contact with eu citizens. If I'm wrong that means my friends/family/ neighbours are Optical illusions

jura My new passport has 'European Union' stamped on the front of it.

I infer from that that I am a citizen of the EU and that you are also a citizen of the EU through your British citizenship and not through being Swiss.

Someone posted a link on another thread about maintaining EU citizenship post-Brexit which I didn't have time to follow up - can anyone remember where it is please?

Is this the link Jalima? It’s about registering your interest in developments for EU citizens living in the UK.
gov.smartwebportal.co.uk/homeoffice/public/webform.asp?id=67&id2=627DF7

jura 2

" So yes, my French friends, neighbours and students, are really annoyed and would be quite happy to boycott the UK, as tourists, consumers, investors, utilities providors, and so on."
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Sums up the relationship for any country who dares to use a Democratic vote to want the chance of Independence/Sovereignty I guess. I would like to think if Scotland chose to leave the UK the other 3 nations didn't sit at home saying they would boycott anything Scottish.

Sums up the relationship for any country who dares to use a Democratic vote to want the chance of Independence/Sovereignty I guess.

I didn't see that choice on the ballot paper, POGS.

Maizie d

What did you think should be on the ballot paper .

A. Do you want to stay in the EU and nobody will turn against you.?

B Do you want to leave the EU and be boycotted in all aspects of life.?

It's not a question to be asked on a ballot paper is it!

It's a reaction to the outcome and I would hope not shared by many other European citizens outside of granjuras many associates, friends and family she clearly has and regularly posts on having such a wide, diverse , intellectual social network.

All I can say is if you agree with that sort of thinking you will behave in the same way to any country that dares to leave the EU . Catalonians no doubt felt this animosity too for daring to want to gain Independence.

All that was on the ballot paper, POGS was a choice between leaving or remaining in the EU. Nothing about 'independence' or 'sovereignty'.

People are diverse in their thinking. The attitudes that jura reports are real and no more or less illogical or unpleasant than some of the anti-EU rhetoric that has been bandied around both on here and on social media generally.

You might not like it, but, as you are a Leaver, I'm sure you'll understand if I suggest that you just 'suck it up'.

All I can say is if you agree with that sort of thinking

You don't have the faintest notion of what I think about it so please don't try to second guess me.

I doubt that in reality many will pack up and go and work in a EU country, no matter what they say on forums.

We have had no discussions with friends/family/ neighbours about the referendum and which way we voted and why, and think lots of people in the UK are the same.
We know which they they all voted of course, but respect each others reasoning.Discussing politics is the fastest way to fall out with people, so better not done in RL.