Novichok yet again in Wiltshire!

DH has just has a news notification that a policeman is in hospital too. What is going on?

GillT57 I absolutely agree. I have though that from the start.

I think the reason the Russian intelligent services made this second attack in the Salisbury area rather than elsewhere is because of the proximity of Porton Down.

Russia can now make the argument that security there is so poor that Novichoc made there was availabe for someone to poison the Skripals and now a container of it, or contaminated with it, has been dropped somewhere where any member of the public could and did pick it up.

It is in fact a tribute to Porton Down that the Russians are so worried about its skills and knowledge and this is shown by the speed with which PD identified the poison used in the original attack and the effective way they advised the doctors on how it worked and the damage it would cause, that the Russians now feel such a need to try and undermine its reputation and seed doubts about its operations.

I think this attack was as deliberate and planned and carried out by the same team who poisoned the Skripals.

Ebayqueen It must be lonely up there on the moral high ground. Addiction can happen in the 'nicest' families, as can alcohol addiction, depression, mental illness and substance abuse. There are many on here who have suffered with this in their family and will assure you that not one of their children or grandchildren 'chose' the lifestyle.
On the assumption that the original 'hit' was a professional one, I agree that the remainder was unlikely to be left somewhere it could be found and identified and possibly used to trace, through cctv etc just who put it there. I do wonder if this was deliberate, to cause unrest and unease, let's face it, if another episode of poisoning occurs in say, Bolton, or Doncaster, or Cardiff, people are going to be frightened to go anywhere and the effect on the local economies, as we know from reports from Salisbury, can be catastrophic. Could this be an especially nasty fear and economy attack from Putin? Seems far fetched, but so does bumping off ex-agents in such a public way.

I mentioned that the couple were thought to be drinkers. It was relevant only because it was impliesd in media reports that they may have picked up ' rubbish' or looked in litter bins..increasing risk of becoming contaminated by discarded items. Also if their general health is not good their recovery would be a tough journey.

Neither have I ( used the word junkie) but that doesn’t stop
Marye bawling us out.

Oh come on Jal you are just being disingenuous - and what about ‘ junkie’
No, I'm not
And I haven never used the term junkie

I think, Maryeliza, that where and how this unfortunate couple came into contact with this Novichok is of vital importance to the investigation.

"Ebayqueen, you may in the future have to accept one of your five grandchild is an addict, it is not a life style choice". What a ridiculous comment Anniebach, doesn't even deserve a reply.

Junkie is wrong just as calling a alcholic a drunk is wrong but thus it has always been, just as a person with mental illness is called a nutter still by some.

Ebayqueen, you may in the future have to accept one of your five grandchild is an addict, it is not a life style choice.

Maryeliza, I think the smilie I added to my post re Prince Phillip was appropriate, just my opinion on the posts accusing the government. You called every man at that fund raising dinner a pervert, nasty picking ?

Oh come on Jal you are just being disingenuous - and what about ‘ junkie’. Anyway I’ll leave this thread to it’s nasty picking over of these two people’s lives, the othering of them: the judgemental repeating of how they spend their benefit money. Some of you are clearly enjoying this. And of course the jokes and smilie faces were totally appropriate weren’t they? I don’t expect you to be able to defend the indefensible

I do think the fact that the couple may have been 'bin or skip diving' has been quite widely reported maryeliza - and there is nothing shameful in that anyway, as even Kirsty Allsopp and others on the tv have been renowned for 'skip diving'.
I have done it myself - albeit in a neighbour's skip and retrieved some very good books which should never have been thrown out.

It is just part of the investigation as to how this poor and innocent couple became contaminated.

Maryeliza, you gleefully repeat things which have been reported

Oh give over Maryel there was nothing ‘gleeful’ at all,
Disgusting slang words.....? It’s actually called that by the people who do it, often finding useful items.
It could be relevant to the case and police and army are looking in all sorts of places for a container.
I think you just enjoy stirring.....?

Just because something is reported lemon does not mean you have to gleefully repeat it - does it? Use of disgusting slang words? The way the press is behaving and certain posters on GN is a bloody disgrace and any decent person would be outraged by this so thanks for the compliment. They are in hospital, probably unconcious: and you think it’s ok to be picking over their lives and repeating what we don’t even know is true - and even if it were true, why repeat it? As I’ve said before read what the leader of the council said about them - he knows more about them and he also knows how to be a decent human being which is more than certain posters on this thread understand. There must be GNers whose adult children have had drug problems - would you use those words about them on here?And as someone upthread said, there are also children involved.

I doubt it, although, if packed with similar syringes of innocuous liquid in the hold luggage, it could pass unnoticed.

But would anyone risk taking that on a plane? Very likely to have been discarded locally I would have thought.

X post M0nica - more food for thought.

Gloves! I would be wearing several pairs, wouldn't you?

Yes, that is quite likely Elegran - which means that the poisoner is still around.
If the poison was in a syringe, there may not have been any residue on the outside.

I am sticking to my belief that this is a new poison attack and wherever the poison was it was somewhere far more accessible than in a bin. I think this was a deliberate attempt to poison some random member of the public and that the person who laid the poison, thought carefully about where to put it.

I cannot believe that the person who laid the poison for the Skripals, almost certainly a highly trained KGB operative, once he had put the poison on the Skripals house and car doors then casually dumped the rest of the tin into a wheelie bin. It would have been wrapped up and flown out of Britain before it had been discovered what it was had poisoned the Skripals.

The container could have been put into the bin very recently. Perhaps the poisoner waited for three months before retrieving it from some temporary hiding place, thinking that by then it would be safer to handle and dispose of (though if he/she touched it while throwing it in, why are they not showing the effects too?)

Salisbury is a lovely place, such a shame that everyone will now be afraid of going into the centre.

Iam64 Yes I am entitled to my opinion and don't expect people to pounce on me and point out the facts. It seems on here that if you don't agree with the majority , you get slated for it. I am a very compassionate person,as anyone who knows me would agree with but with my 5 grandchildren growing up in such drink and drug filled world,I have no compassion for people who CHOOSE to lead lives that could kill them.

A bin on an industrial site Jalima?

It's a real conundrum isn't it. The residents in the area must be feeling anxious. I suppose we just don't know enough yet to even try to speculate how/when and where these people came into contact with the poison.

Of course they are people and matter as much as anyone else and this is tragic, what I have pointed out is what was reported and not my own opinion, and could be very pertinent to the case if the discarded canister of poison was in a skip or a bin somewhere.